Moodle

forum sum ratings are broken/ counterintuitive for star scales

Details

  • Type: Improvement Improvement
  • Status: Closed Closed
  • Priority: Minor Minor
  • Resolution: Fixed
  • Affects Version/s: 2.0
  • Fix Version/s: 1.9.2
  • Component/s: Forum, Gradebook
  • Labels:
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  • Affected Branches:
    MOODLE_20_STABLE
  • Fixed Branches:
    MOODLE_19_STABLE

Description

I just set a summed rated forum task with a stars scale similar to moodle.org's one and expected that I would find grades on the 1-5 start scale would be added together so I could tell them to get 10 stars total as their objective. I read the instructions more carefully and found that it only sums them up to the maximum grade for the forum - is this supposed to be 5? I would like an option to turn the stars into a numerical sum so that getting 10 or 15 as a grade for a 1-5 graded forum was an option. 'Numerical sum' as an extra grading option?

Regardless of this however, my gradebook shows everyone as having one star, not matter what ratings I have given them, which seems broken.

Issue Links

This issue will be resolved by:
MDL-13866 scale ratings do not work in forum Blocker Closed
This issue has been marked as being related by:
MDL-15491 Forum ratings for summed scales are counterintuitive Minor Open

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Martin Dougiamas added a comment -

Yes the issue was how to deal with the concept of having no maximum grade in the gradebook. It's a concept that gets used all the time for averages etc not to mention how do you display it? (you can't display 100 stars because that's not on the scale).

Perhaps we could just put the unlimited total in the feedback field as a number?

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Martin Dougiamas added a comment - Yes the issue was how to deal with the concept of having no maximum grade in the gradebook. It's a concept that gets used all the time for averages etc not to mention how do you display it? (you can't display 100 stars because that's not on the scale). Perhaps we could just put the unlimited total in the feedback field as a number?
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Martin Dougiamas added a comment -

The other problem (always 1 star) does sound like a bug. Mat, can you look at this?

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Martin Dougiamas added a comment - The other problem (always 1 star) does sound like a bug. Mat, can you look at this?
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Martin Dougiamas added a comment -

Mat that is, not Matt.

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Martin Dougiamas added a comment - Mat that is, not Matt.
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Matt Gibson added a comment -

Perhaps the maximum could be set automatically at the highest grade anyone obtained? This could be a problem though, as if no one makes any effort, even small scores will equal large percentages. Maybe the teacher could set the scope of the scale? I set the students the task of hitting 10 stars as a minimum, so maybe 10 could equal 100% in this case, with any extra marks being set as a bonus. Still leaves the problem of how to deal with the bonus. How about combining the two so that if no one hits the minimum, all marks are treated as percentages of the teacher-imposed total, but if people exceed it, the highest grade is the maximum?

A number would be great IMO, it means that students who put a lot more effort in will get a much higher score, which seems fairer. It also mimics the discussion book concept of having a register open during a class discussion and putting a tick by a pupils name every time they say something constructive. I've used this a lot as it gives public credit to the students who are helpful/keen in this respect, but are less academic.

It would be better in the scores bit I think (if this grading option was chosen). Feedback is still good for holding notes and teachers may want to add comments whilst the forum is still active, which might interfere and I'm also not sure that displaying the original scale in the gradebook would mean much if the main criteria is how many total stars you get.

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Matt Gibson added a comment - Perhaps the maximum could be set automatically at the highest grade anyone obtained? This could be a problem though, as if no one makes any effort, even small scores will equal large percentages. Maybe the teacher could set the scope of the scale? I set the students the task of hitting 10 stars as a minimum, so maybe 10 could equal 100% in this case, with any extra marks being set as a bonus. Still leaves the problem of how to deal with the bonus. How about combining the two so that if no one hits the minimum, all marks are treated as percentages of the teacher-imposed total, but if people exceed it, the highest grade is the maximum? A number would be great IMO, it means that students who put a lot more effort in will get a much higher score, which seems fairer. It also mimics the discussion book concept of having a register open during a class discussion and putting a tick by a pupils name every time they say something constructive. I've used this a lot as it gives public credit to the students who are helpful/keen in this respect, but are less academic. It would be better in the scores bit I think (if this grading option was chosen). Feedback is still good for holding notes and teachers may want to add comments whilst the forum is still active, which might interfere and I'm also not sure that displaying the original scale in the gradebook would mean much if the main criteria is how many total stars you get.
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Matt Gibson added a comment -

As well, I was just writing reviews using gradebook info and thought that it would be great to have a roll-over pop-up for forums just like there is for assignments. What I really wanted to know was how many posts of what rating had been posted.

The pop-up could have a top section with a list of post titles and ratings, then a lower section containing the feedback.

Fiddling about with the feedback, I noticed that the forum tasks in the gradebook that have only one star, do not have any grade set when I turn on editing.

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Matt Gibson added a comment - As well, I was just writing reviews using gradebook info and thought that it would be great to have a roll-over pop-up for forums just like there is for assignments. What I really wanted to know was how many posts of what rating had been posted. The pop-up could have a top section with a list of post titles and ratings, then a lower section containing the feedback. Fiddling about with the feedback, I noticed that the forum tasks in the gradebook that have only one star, do not have any grade set when I turn on editing.
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Mathieu Petit-Clair added a comment -

Took me a while, but I can confirm the gradebook bug. At least, I could yesterday, but now it seems to be working, as Petr fixed it in MDL-13866 / http://cvs.moodle.org/moodle/mod/forum/lib.php.diff?r1=1.609.2.34&r2=1.609.2.35. Thanks Petr!

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Mathieu Petit-Clair added a comment - Took me a while, but I can confirm the gradebook bug. At least, I could yesterday, but now it seems to be working, as Petr fixed it in MDL-13866 / http://cvs.moodle.org/moodle/mod/forum/lib.php.diff?r1=1.609.2.34&r2=1.609.2.35. Thanks Petr!
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Mathieu Petit-Clair added a comment -

The always-show-one-star bug has also been fixed along the way.

I'm leaving this bug open as a brainstorming place on how to get the desired no-maximum-sum feature.

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Mathieu Petit-Clair added a comment - The always-show-one-star bug has also been fixed along the way. I'm leaving this bug open as a brainstorming place on how to get the desired no-maximum-sum feature.
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Nicolas Connault added a comment -

Tested and verified. Closing.

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Nicolas Connault added a comment - Tested and verified. Closing.
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Matt Gibson added a comment -

Does this mean that the 1-star bug is fixed, or the open ended grade for the summed scale scores, or both?

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Matt Gibson added a comment - Does this mean that the 1-star bug is fixed, or the open ended grade for the summed scale scores, or both?
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Mathieu Petit-Clair added a comment -

Good point... Only the one-star bug is fixed, so there should be a new feature request for the open ended grading scale, it's a different issue that needs more discussion (display and calculations). Can you do that? Otherwise, I'll copy over the relevant parts of this one...

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Mathieu Petit-Clair added a comment - Good point... Only the one-star bug is fixed, so there should be a new feature request for the open ended grading scale, it's a different issue that needs more discussion (display and calculations). Can you do that? Otherwise, I'll copy over the relevant parts of this one...
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Matt Gibson added a comment -

Done and linked.

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Matt Gibson added a comment - Done and linked.

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