Moodle

Non-graded Assignment and Quizzes appear in the gradebook and have Max Grade assigned

Details

  • Type: Bug Bug
  • Status: Open Open
  • Priority: Minor Minor
  • Resolution: Unresolved
  • Affects Version/s: 1.9, 1.9.1, 1.9.2, 1.9.3, 1.9.4
  • Fix Version/s: None
  • Component/s: Gradebook
  • Affected Branches:
    MOODLE_19_STABLE

Description

Non-graded Assignment and Quizzes are getting displayed in the gradebook, and they look like being included into aggregation in the Cat&Items interface, since they have Max Grade value set to 100.
Other activities behave definitely. E.g. If Forum is not graded, it does not appear in the gradebook as a column. Which for me is an expected behavior.

1. Add an Assignment. Set it to No Grade. Column will still appear in the gradebook. Now go to the Cat&Items interface. It will display Max Grade for that column to be 100 points. (Though it will not be actually included into the calculation)
2. Add an Assignment. Set it to be graded on a scale (scales are NOT included in aggregation for us). Maximum Grade in the Cat&Items interface will display some number (e.g. 3, if there are 3 items in a scale). It is confusing, since one would now expect that 3 to be calculated toward course/category total.
3. Add a quiz, add some questions, and make the quiz to be worth 0 points. Maximum Grade in the Cat&Items interface will still be 10 points (or 100). Interestingly enough, I can manually delete a gradebook column for this kind of quiz. (But, once I delete a column, there is no way for me add it back, even though I will make the quiz gradable)

I think MDL-14017 is related to this.

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Petr Škoda (skodak) added a comment -

yes this is intentional, the problem here is that you would loose all overriden grades, unfortunately we did not find any easy way to add some confirmation to modedit form...

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Petr Škoda (skodak) added a comment - yes this is intentional, the problem here is that you would loose all overriden grades, unfortunately we did not find any easy way to add some confirmation to modedit form...
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Elena Ivanova added a comment -

I have read the discussion in MDL-12496, and I see the point of having those items in the gradebook.
Do you think we can adjust the display of Max Grade column in Cat&Items? It may simply state dash or 0 points for such activities. (Or may be you already meant that the column cannot be adjusted, so I am just not getting something %)).

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Elena Ivanova added a comment - I have read the discussion in MDL-12496, and I see the point of having those items in the gradebook. Do you think we can adjust the display of Max Grade column in Cat&Items? It may simply state dash or 0 points for such activities. (Or may be you already meant that the column cannot be adjusted, so I am just not getting something %)).
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Petr Škoda (skodak) added a comment -

no, I do not think we can adjust it

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Petr Škoda (skodak) added a comment - no, I do not think we can adjust it
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Robert Puffer added a comment -

Would this mean we would all need to learn to live with a gradebook that is quite misleading in what it reports?

Also, I note that 1.95 isn't a listed version affected though the original report indicates they were using 1.95??

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Robert Puffer added a comment - Would this mean we would all need to learn to live with a gradebook that is quite misleading in what it reports? Also, I note that 1.95 isn't a listed version affected though the original report indicates they were using 1.95??
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David Ayre added a comment -

We're using 1.9.5 and i can confirm this is a problem.

Simply adjusting the max grade column to show no value would be better... or even "0". The value in the Max Grade column as reported above does not seem to be included in the total at the bottom of the column... which is good... but still confusing.

This bug is VERY MISLEADING to students and confusing for instructors. For a component as important as Grading, i would think the priority on this would be higher. We have numerous instructors we are having to re-assure that the Grading system is ok... even though this display indicates otherwise.

As a work around, we're having to create a dummy category to move these "no grade" assignments into to get them out the graded assignments list.

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David Ayre added a comment - We're using 1.9.5 and i can confirm this is a problem. Simply adjusting the max grade column to show no value would be better... or even "0". The value in the Max Grade column as reported above does not seem to be included in the total at the bottom of the column... which is good... but still confusing. This bug is VERY MISLEADING to students and confusing for instructors. For a component as important as Grading, i would think the priority on this would be higher. We have numerous instructors we are having to re-assure that the Grading system is ok... even though this display indicates otherwise. As a work around, we're having to create a dummy category to move these "no grade" assignments into to get them out the graded assignments list.
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Lauren Nicandri added a comment -

This also occurs when using the graded attendance feature. A max grade of 20 points is listed in the gradebook, even though the values for each individual attendance category is set to zero.

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Lauren Nicandri added a comment - This also occurs when using the graded attendance feature. A max grade of 20 points is listed in the gradebook, even though the values for each individual attendance category is set to zero.

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