Moodle

Groups can't reply to teacher discussion

Details

  • Type: Bug Bug
  • Status: Open Open
  • Priority: Minor Minor
  • Resolution: Unresolved
  • Affects Version/s: 1.5.2
  • Fix Version/s: None
  • Component/s: Forum
  • Labels:
    None
  • Environment:
    Windows XP
  • Database:
    MySQL
  • Affected Branches:
    MOODLE_15_STABLE

Description

Initially setup course without groups, several forums with initial discussion by teacher (who is also admin).

Added visible groups when 2nd term students enrolled, put 1st term students in Term1 group, 2nd term students in Term2 group. Term2 students can start own discussions and can see teacher and Term1 posts/discussions, but cannot reply to them, including discussions started by teacher.

If change forum to separate groups, Term1 students can see teacher discussions and Term1 replies, but still cannot reply to teacher discussion.

Term1 students can reply to teacher and Term1 discussions and posts as expected.

Term2 students should be able to reply to teacher discussion threads, same as Term1 students, with either separate or visible groups.

Tested on production site (1.5.2+ 20Jul05 2005060220) & localhost (1.5.2+ 08Aug05 2005060222, course restored from production backup).

Issue Links

This issue will be resolved by:
MDL-19670 Allow "Create new discussion for each group" to enable teachers to post the same question for each group with only one posting Minor Open

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Martin Dougiamas added a comment -

From James Robertson (jimrprovo at gmail.com) Friday, 26 August 2005, 06:06 AM:

Tried again today with latest update from CVS. Started new course with visible groups. Added self (admin) as teacher (not in a group), student1 in group1, student2 in group2, and student3 not in a group. Started new forum with separate groups. Started 3 discussion threads: general discussion to all participants, discussion1 to group1, and discussion2 to group2. Student 1 could see general discussion but not reply, could see and reply to discussion1, could not see discussion 2. Student2 could see general discussion but not reply, could not see discussion1, could see and reply to discussion2. Student3 could see general discussion only, and could reply to it. Teacher could see and reply to all discussions. Student1 could reply to teacher reply within discussion1, student2 could reply to teacher reply within discussion2.

So the odd part is that students assigned to any group cannot reply to a discussion sent to all participants by the teacher. This effect is especially serious with a single discussion forum, but in every case, the teacher wants a discussion to all students to be more inclusive than one sent to just one specific group.

From Martin Dougiamas (martin at moodle.com) Friday, 26 August 2005, 10:22 AM:

You can't let students reply to a post to all participants within a grouped forum, because it would no longer be a grouped forum!!

The point of groups is to keep students separated.

If you want groups to respond to a teacher discussion, you need to post into each group separately. Select the group, then make your post.

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Martin Dougiamas added a comment - From James Robertson (jimrprovo at gmail.com) Friday, 26 August 2005, 06:06 AM: Tried again today with latest update from CVS. Started new course with visible groups. Added self (admin) as teacher (not in a group), student1 in group1, student2 in group2, and student3 not in a group. Started new forum with separate groups. Started 3 discussion threads: general discussion to all participants, discussion1 to group1, and discussion2 to group2. Student 1 could see general discussion but not reply, could see and reply to discussion1, could not see discussion 2. Student2 could see general discussion but not reply, could not see discussion1, could see and reply to discussion2. Student3 could see general discussion only, and could reply to it. Teacher could see and reply to all discussions. Student1 could reply to teacher reply within discussion1, student2 could reply to teacher reply within discussion2. So the odd part is that students assigned to any group cannot reply to a discussion sent to all participants by the teacher. This effect is especially serious with a single discussion forum, but in every case, the teacher wants a discussion to all students to be more inclusive than one sent to just one specific group. From Martin Dougiamas (martin at moodle.com) Friday, 26 August 2005, 10:22 AM: You can't let students reply to a post to all participants within a grouped forum, because it would no longer be a grouped forum!! The point of groups is to keep students separated. If you want groups to respond to a teacher discussion, you need to post into each group separately. Select the group, then make your post.
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Martin Dougiamas added a comment -

Assigning to me temporarily because Vy-Shane no longer works for Moodle HQ.

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Martin Dougiamas added a comment - Assigning to me temporarily because Vy-Shane no longer works for Moodle HQ.
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Nicole Gifford added a comment -

I have seen this issue in Moodle 1.9.9 as well.
I went on to the Moodlerooms test site and duplicated this issue.
1. Created some Groups
2. Split the students into 2 different groups
3. Created the Single Simple Discussion Forum - setting using Separate Groups
4. Set the Group I wanted to have access this forum
5. Saved Changes
6. Logged in as a student who was not in the group - the forum did not show up
7. Logged in as a student who was in the group - the forum showed
8. Accessed the forum, No option to click the reply

Moodle users who have access to: mroomstest site - can view this forum at: http://mrsupport.mroomstest.net/mod/forum/view.php?id=16524

Thanks in advance.
Nicole

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Nicole Gifford added a comment - I have seen this issue in Moodle 1.9.9 as well. I went on to the Moodlerooms test site and duplicated this issue. 1. Created some Groups 2. Split the students into 2 different groups 3. Created the Single Simple Discussion Forum - setting using Separate Groups 4. Set the Group I wanted to have access this forum 5. Saved Changes 6. Logged in as a student who was not in the group - the forum did not show up 7. Logged in as a student who was in the group - the forum showed 8. Accessed the forum, No option to click the reply Moodle users who have access to: mroomstest site - can view this forum at: http://mrsupport.mroomstest.net/mod/forum/view.php?id=16524 Thanks in advance. Nicole
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Derek Chirnside added a comment -

Just a little update.

A feature request is here: http://tracker.moodle.org/browse/MDL-19670
Enabling the same post to be made in all groups at once.

Martin says (above):
"If you want groups to respond to a teacher discussion, you need to post into each group separately. Select the group, then make your post"

This just becomes a little tedious if there are several groups.

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Derek Chirnside added a comment - Just a little update. A feature request is here: http://tracker.moodle.org/browse/MDL-19670 Enabling the same post to be made in all groups at once. Martin says (above): "If you want groups to respond to a teacher discussion, you need to post into each group separately. Select the group, then make your post" This just becomes a little tedious if there are several groups.

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