Moodle
  1. Moodle
  2. MDL-27370

Course reports and Participants no longer under Course Administration in 2.x

    Details

    • Type: Bug Bug
    • Status: Closed
    • Priority: Minor Minor
    • Resolution: Duplicate
    • Affects Version/s: 2.0.2
    • Fix Version/s: None
    • Component/s: Course, Navigation
    • Labels:
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    • Affected Branches:
      MOODLE_20_STABLE
    • Rank:
      17063

      Description

      Moodle 2.x appears to have removed the "Reports" and "Participants" sections of the "Course Administration" menu. They seem to have been moved to sit under the course in the Navigation block.

      This not only makes it difficult for users moving from 1.x to 2.x to find these reports, but also adds to the already rather lengthy Navigation block (in a large/complex course, just the course's section can get very long - adding course admin items such as these only makes it even longer) - and the consensus amongst people I've spoken to seems to be that Participants and Reports should be under Course Administration, as that's what they are. Essentially, there's a perfectly good "Course Administration" menu for course admin tools such as these, so they shouldn't really be cluttering up the Navigation block.

      If there's a Good Reason for this change, please feel free to enlighten me - I've tried searching both the tracker and the forums, but didn't turn up anything at all relating to this change.

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          Fred Weiss added a comment -

          I agree. Have just had teacher's testing Moodle 2 and they have complained about not being able to find reports. The Navigation menu is about 3 screens long and very confusing as well as taking up too much room in a course.

          So I would generally not even add it to a course but then this means no reports.

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          Fred Weiss added a comment - I agree. Have just had teacher's testing Moodle 2 and they have complained about not being able to find reports. The Navigation menu is about 3 screens long and very confusing as well as taking up too much room in a course. So I would generally not even add it to a course but then this means no reports.
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          Anthony Borrow added a comment -

          Paul and Fred - As I look at the interface in 2.0, the navigation and settings blocks are meant to allow quicker and easier access to materials. For me, the logical as it is makes more sense. I want to navigate to course reports or the list of course participants. These are things I go to see rather than something that I am trying to configure or setup. Hopefully for those upgrading from 1.9 a quick training session will help folks avoid searching for where these went. For those new to 2.0 - I think they will find the current location works just as well. I would not think it too difficult to patch the settings block to include them; however, the duplication may cause more confusion than it is worth. Peace - Anthony

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          Anthony Borrow added a comment - Paul and Fred - As I look at the interface in 2.0, the navigation and settings blocks are meant to allow quicker and easier access to materials. For me, the logical as it is makes more sense. I want to navigate to course reports or the list of course participants. These are things I go to see rather than something that I am trying to configure or setup. Hopefully for those upgrading from 1.9 a quick training session will help folks avoid searching for where these went. For those new to 2.0 - I think they will find the current location works just as well. I would not think it too difficult to patch the settings block to include them; however, the duplication may cause more confusion than it is worth. Peace - Anthony
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          Susana Leitão added a comment -

          Hi, I understand reports is not a setting... and maybe it is because we are still used to Moodle 1.9... but it is really, really handy to have it on the course administration block! I also find navigation block very confusing. Thanks, susana

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          Susana Leitão added a comment - Hi, I understand reports is not a setting... and maybe it is because we are still used to Moodle 1.9... but it is really, really handy to have it on the course administration block! I also find navigation block very confusing. Thanks, susana
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          Yvonne Hamilton added a comment -

          We turned our Navigation Block off as it was so large and distracting but that means we cannot access the reports at all which is totally useless at the moment. Please can we have it back.

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          Yvonne Hamilton added a comment - We turned our Navigation Block off as it was so large and distracting but that means we cannot access the reports at all which is totally useless at the moment. Please can we have it back.
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          Nancy K Hoke added a comment -

          We are upgrading to 2.3 this summer and I was working on our Moodle Guides for Faculty. We use Reports on a regular basis and I wish to also support moving Reports and Participants back to Settings. I do not look at Settings as "setting" but as the elements and the Admin features I and faculty use on a regular basis - so Reports and Participants should be in Settings.

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          Nancy K Hoke added a comment - We are upgrading to 2.3 this summer and I was working on our Moodle Guides for Faculty. We use Reports on a regular basis and I wish to also support moving Reports and Participants back to Settings. I do not look at Settings as "setting" but as the elements and the Admin features I and faculty use on a regular basis - so Reports and Participants should be in Settings.
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          Jean-Michel Vedrine added a comment -

          In my opinion it's a very, very bad idea to turn navigation block off : for instance it means that your teachers will have no access to their quiz reports !!!
          IMHO Moodle 2 without navigation block is not usable at all, and was not conceived to run without navigation block.

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          Jean-Michel Vedrine added a comment - In my opinion it's a very, very bad idea to turn navigation block off : for instance it means that your teachers will have no access to their quiz reports !!! IMHO Moodle 2 without navigation block is not usable at all, and was not conceived to run without navigation block.
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          Garret Gengler added a comment -

          I'll add my opinions, very strongly agreeing that:

          1) The navigation block is a mess
          2) All features that are provided by it should be available in a secondary way

          We upgraded to 2.2 a few months ago, and it has generally been well-received by our 5000+ users.

          After seeing how confused everyone was by the Navigation Block in pilot testing, we turned it off. And no one has missed it. In my professional opinion, it has numerous usability issues and does not make Moodle easier to use. It clutters up the screen, confuses novice users, and annoys expert users.

          With the Nav Block off, we have been forced to hack the user profile and settings block code in several places so faculty see links to access reports. But it's really trivial stuff.

          I don't see why Moodle shouldn't make this the standard – Nav Block can be an extra feature for people who want to use it, but it should not be required.

          -Garret

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          Garret Gengler added a comment - I'll add my opinions, very strongly agreeing that: 1) The navigation block is a mess 2) All features that are provided by it should be available in a secondary way We upgraded to 2.2 a few months ago, and it has generally been well-received by our 5000+ users. After seeing how confused everyone was by the Navigation Block in pilot testing, we turned it off. And no one has missed it. In my professional opinion, it has numerous usability issues and does not make Moodle easier to use. It clutters up the screen, confuses novice users, and annoys expert users. With the Nav Block off, we have been forced to hack the user profile and settings block code in several places so faculty see links to access reports. But it's really trivial stuff. I don't see why Moodle shouldn't make this the standard – Nav Block can be an extra feature for people who want to use it, but it should not be required. -Garret
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          Yvonne Hamilton added a comment -

          Hi,
          We have the Course Menu block installed and have that set to show on all course pages where tutors want to access reports, stats, manual grading. Reports, Stats and Manual Grading are accessible through the Course Menu block by opening the eye on the 'My Courses' option if not using the Navigation Block. This allows our tutors the option on having the Nav type menu available in their courses, or not. We also have it added to the My Home page so students can view their reports as well.
          Yvonne

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          Yvonne Hamilton added a comment - Hi, We have the Course Menu block installed and have that set to show on all course pages where tutors want to access reports, stats, manual grading. Reports, Stats and Manual Grading are accessible through the Course Menu block by opening the eye on the 'My Courses' option if not using the Navigation Block. This allows our tutors the option on having the Nav type menu available in their courses, or not. We also have it added to the My Home page so students can view their reports as well. Yvonne
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          Rex Lorenzo added a comment -

          The reports link has been moved to the Course administration section as a result of MDL-31983. I created the task to move the Participants report there as well in ticket MDL-38504.

          Going to close this issue as a duplicate.

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          Rex Lorenzo added a comment - The reports link has been moved to the Course administration section as a result of MDL-31983 . I created the task to move the Participants report there as well in ticket MDL-38504 . Going to close this issue as a duplicate.

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