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  1. Moodle
  2. MDL-30179

User report and Grader report are inconsistent for the grade that is hidden. Allow teacher to toggle to/from "user view"

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    • Type: Bug
    • Status: Open
    • Priority: Major
    • Resolution: Unresolved
    • Affects Version/s: 2.1.2, 2.7.3, 2.8
    • Fix Version/s: DEV backlog, BACKEND
    • Component/s: Gradebook
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    • Affected Branches:
      MOODLE_21_STABLE, MOODLE_27_STABLE, MOODLE_28_STABLE
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      Description

      If I am a grader and I decided to hide the grade for one student for an assignment, I can still see it in the Grader report (but the font is gray).
      If I (again as a grader) go to the user report for this user I:

      • CAN see the assignment
      • CAN NOT see any grade, not even gray, in the columns 'Grade', 'Percentage', 'Rank'
      • CAN see the grade in the column 'Letter grade' (I enabled it in settings)
        As a student I don't see this assignment in the user report at all.

      There should be a clear policy, what User report shows if it is viewed by a grader:
      1) it shows the same as Grader report but for a particular user
      or
      2) it shows the same as what this user would see in his User report

      Depending on this policy the hidden grades should be shown or the whole line with module should not be shown at all.


      Regarding 'Rank': there should be also a policy whether to include the hidden grades in rank or not. At the moment they are included, so for other students the rank is calculated as if hidden grades were normal grades. But for student whose grade is hidden, rank is not displayed (although exists)

      The column 'Average' displays the average only for grades that are not hidden. So for other users it looks strange: "Rank 2/4, Average 30.00 (3)"

      So I would suggest that Rank should not include hidden grades

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            dougiamas Martin Dougiamas added a comment -

            Adam and Robert: should we change the default assignee for newly reported gradebook bugs (like this one) to be one of you guys? If not, let's work out what to do.

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            dougiamas Martin Dougiamas added a comment - Adam and Robert: should we change the default assignee for newly reported gradebook bugs (like this one) to be one of you guys? If not, let's work out what to do.
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            marina Marina Glancy added a comment -

            Just noticed:

            in Grader report the 'Average' for the module DOES include hidden grades. The same field in User report DOES NOT include them. One more inconsistent thing

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            marina Marina Glancy added a comment - Just noticed: in Grader report the 'Average' for the module DOES include hidden grades. The same field in User report DOES NOT include them. One more inconsistent thing
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            marina Marina Glancy added a comment -

            Sorry, can't keep commenting:

            There is actually a setting for Grader report "Grades selected for column averages" (grade_report_meanselection), but it does not say how it considers hidden grades

            There is a setting for user report grade_report_user_showhiddenitems. If set the student can see module on which his grade was hidden, and luckily no grades there, even 'Letter grade' is empty.

            And there is another setting for User report grade_report_user_showtotalsifcontainhidden, which can be set to 'Show totals including hidden items' which is absolutely crazy. In this case student can not see the hidden grade, he sees this module as if it has not been graded, but his total looks completely random for him (because it includes grades he can not see).

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            marina Marina Glancy added a comment - Sorry, can't keep commenting: There is actually a setting for Grader report "Grades selected for column averages" ( grade_report_meanselection ), but it does not say how it considers hidden grades There is a setting for user report grade_report_user_showhiddenitems . If set the student can see module on which his grade was hidden, and luckily no grades there, even 'Letter grade' is empty. And there is another setting for User report grade_report_user_showtotalsifcontainhidden, which can be set to 'Show totals including hidden items' which is absolutely crazy. In this case student can not see the hidden grade, he sees this module as if it has not been graded, but his total looks completely random for him (because it includes grades he can not see).
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            rrusso Robert Russo added a comment -

            Please assign Adam Zapletal (azaple1), Robert Russo (rrusso), and Philip Cali (pcali1) to Moodle 2 Gradebook Bugs.

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            rrusso Robert Russo added a comment - Please assign Adam Zapletal (azaple1), Robert Russo (rrusso), and Philip Cali (pcali1) to Moodle 2 Gradebook Bugs.
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            jackdaniels JD added a comment -

            And there is another setting for User report grade_report_user_showtotalsifcontainhidden, which can be set to 'Show totals including hidden items' which is absolutely crazy. In this case student can not see the hidden grade, he sees this module as if it has not been graded, but his total looks completely random for him (because it includes grades he can not see).

            We have exactly this behavior using latest version 2.4.3. It would be nice to clean this eventually.

            Thanks.

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            jackdaniels JD added a comment - And there is another setting for User report grade_report_user_showtotalsifcontainhidden, which can be set to 'Show totals including hidden items' which is absolutely crazy. In this case student can not see the hidden grade, he sees this module as if it has not been graded, but his total looks completely random for him (because it includes grades he can not see). We have exactly this behavior using latest version 2.4.3. It would be nice to clean this eventually. Thanks.
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            andyjdavis Andrew Davis added a comment -

            This issue was assigned to me automatically, however I will not be able to work on this issue in the immediate future. In order to create a truer sense of the state of this issue and to allow other developers to have chance to become involved, I am removing myself as the assignee of this issue.

            For more information, see http://docs.moodle.org/dev/Changes_to_issue_assignment

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            andyjdavis Andrew Davis added a comment - This issue was assigned to me automatically, however I will not be able to work on this issue in the immediate future. In order to create a truer sense of the state of this issue and to allow other developers to have chance to become involved, I am removing myself as the assignee of this issue. For more information, see http://docs.moodle.org/dev/Changes_to_issue_assignment
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            damyon Damyon Wiese added a comment -

            This was raised again during the gradebook push for 2.8. It was decided a teacher should be able to toggle their view to show/hide the hidden items (if hidden the view should match the student view).

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            damyon Damyon Wiese added a comment - This was raised again during the gradebook push for 2.8. It was decided a teacher should be able to toggle their view to show/hide the hidden items (if hidden the view should match the student view).
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            mcka0074 Mark McKay added a comment -

            Damyon, is there a separate issue for the toggle feature?

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            mcka0074 Mark McKay added a comment - Damyon, is there a separate issue for the toggle feature?

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