Moodle
  1. Moodle
  2. MDL-31795

CLONE - Differentiation needed between Last permitted start time of timed quiz, and alloted completion time -- like Blackboard does

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    • Type: Improvement Improvement
    • Status: Open
    • Priority: Minor Minor
    • Resolution: Unresolved
    • Affects Version/s: 2.2.1
    • Fix Version/s: DEV backlog
    • Component/s: Quiz
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      Change to 2 separate parameters for timed quizzes:
      1. Last time to access/start the test.
      2. Add length of allotted time to take the test.
      3. This should create the final completion time for the test.
      4. You may prompt the instructor / instructional designer with a summary of the parameters; "The test will be able to be accessed until 11pm Feb 19, 2012. The allotted time is 3 hours. The final completion time will be 2am Feb 20, 2012. Is this acceptable? Give options to 1) accept and continue/save OR 2) modify the last start time, etc.

      This becomes most acute in the longer exams. However, it can be no less frustrating in a short quiz as well.

      However, failure to separate these two is extremely unprofessional in test design automation.

      It is unthinkable that one should not be able to finish a test with the permitted amount of time.

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      Change to 2 separate parameters for timed quizzes: 1. Last time to access/start the test. 2. Add length of allotted time to take the test. 3. This should create the final completion time for the test. 4. You may prompt the instructor / instructional designer with a summary of the parameters; "The test will be able to be accessed until 11pm Feb 19, 2012. The allotted time is 3 hours. The final completion time will be 2am Feb 20, 2012. Is this acceptable? Give options to 1) accept and continue/save OR 2) modify the last start time, etc. This becomes most acute in the longer exams. However, it can be no less frustrating in a short quiz as well. However, failure to separate these two is extremely unprofessional in test design automation. It is unthinkable that one should not be able to finish a test with the permitted amount of time.
    • Workaround:
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      Overrides are available, by student, but this can be unwieldy to manaage for large classes. (You really ought to consider management by groups, just as you would at an operating system or database level. Please consult with an IT expert to incorporate the above features.

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      Overrides are available, by student, but this can be unwieldy to manaage for large classes. (You really ought to consider management by groups, just as you would at an operating system or database level. Please consult with an IT expert to incorporate the above features.
    • Affected Branches:
      MOODLE_22_STABLE
    • Rank:
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      Description

      If you can pass this on to "Helen" or "Tim Hunt" at Moodle.org, it would be much appreciated:

      Moodle simply does not handle timed quizzes well. The default is to not time quizzes. However, when set to be timed, the creators of the software do not seem to realize that there is a difference between the last permitted access time to START a quiz / test, and the length of time to complete the test.

      In our community college, we have just switched from Blackboard. Blackboard intelligently stops displaying the quiz access link (equiv would be to gray it out) at the access cut off time. However, you still have the full time to complete the timed quiz.

      Not so in Moodle. The last access time and the completion time are one and the same. Usually I complete work well before due date, but not for this 3-hour certification prep "quiz". So, at 10:55 p.m., I sat down with my cup of tea on Sunday eve to sign into our Moodle for the "3-hour quiz", after all the interruptions cease and I could devote 3 hours to it. Immediately, the cutoff timer told me I had ONLY FIVE MINUTES to complete the test - and then the phone rang - twice. Needless to say, I got about 3 questions answered, and a whopping 1.5% on the practice exam, which is now on my continuing ed transcript. I am utterly furious.

      This is very basic test design, and should have been an early thought in the design and development of this program. If Blackboard can do it, Moodle can also be so modified.

      I most certainly hope Moodle gets its act together and professionally considers this point in its next release - and as soon as possible.

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          J Ashland added a comment -

          Dear Mr. Hunt,

          Your response and closure was rather hasty, particularly to one who has worked as a university professor / professional educator.

          I submitted this as an improvement, and differentiated it from one of your competitors. This may be hardly significant for a 10-item or 10-minute quiz, which usually has minimal impact, if any, on a grade, but for an examination, timing factor differentiations are important. That differentiation is the "start time" vs. "submit time".

          It is quite unclear in the documentation provided to this new client college with a professional continuing education program that such a differentiation feature is missing from your program. It is not the duty of the "teachers" to declare this lack. Moodle FAQ and program documentation should be updated appropriately, and preferably, modified with such an enhancement. Apparently they (and I) were not aware of this, and set 11pm as a final attempt START time – not completion or submit time. In other words, no one was aware, unlike the previous use of Blackboard here, that this meant an 8pm final start time. That is being addressed here with the review course administrators and college implementation team for Moodle.
          This particular "course" was a 2-week review with minimal access time to the "3-hour quiz" at the end. That point of discussion is being raised on the administrative level here, particularly since the registration was advertised and registration indicated a 33-day window into March.

          As an information security professional and educator, now tracking the security of over 25,000 servers and workstations, mentoring 2 professional education course tracks and also taking two professional upgrade curricula on issues affecting healthcare, I see and have seen several such programs come and go over the years. From that I offer you professional advice.

          Respect the advice that this differentiation should require documentation, and further, has an essential weakness compared to other programs with which it wishes to compete. This issue should rather been seen as an improvement feature to which you can aspire.

          Regards,
          J. Ashland

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          J Ashland added a comment - Dear Mr. Hunt, Your response and closure was rather hasty, particularly to one who has worked as a university professor / professional educator. I submitted this as an improvement, and differentiated it from one of your competitors. This may be hardly significant for a 10-item or 10-minute quiz, which usually has minimal impact, if any, on a grade, but for an examination, timing factor differentiations are important. That differentiation is the "start time" vs. "submit time". It is quite unclear in the documentation provided to this new client college with a professional continuing education program that such a differentiation feature is missing from your program. It is not the duty of the "teachers" to declare this lack. Moodle FAQ and program documentation should be updated appropriately, and preferably, modified with such an enhancement. Apparently they (and I) were not aware of this, and set 11pm as a final attempt START time – not completion or submit time. In other words, no one was aware, unlike the previous use of Blackboard here, that this meant an 8pm final start time. That is being addressed here with the review course administrators and college implementation team for Moodle. This particular "course" was a 2-week review with minimal access time to the "3-hour quiz" at the end. That point of discussion is being raised on the administrative level here, particularly since the registration was advertised and registration indicated a 33-day window into March. As an information security professional and educator, now tracking the security of over 25,000 servers and workstations, mentoring 2 professional education course tracks and also taking two professional upgrade curricula on issues affecting healthcare, I see and have seen several such programs come and go over the years. From that I offer you professional advice. Respect the advice that this differentiation should require documentation, and further, has an essential weakness compared to other programs with which it wishes to compete. This issue should rather been seen as an improvement feature to which you can aspire. Regards, J. Ashland
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          Helen Foster added a comment -

          Dear Mr Ashland,

          Thank you for pointing out the lack of documentation regarding the quiz closing time and the time limit.

          I have amended http://docs.moodle.org/en/Quiz_settings and added the following sentences:

          Close the quiz

          Note: The quiz closing time is the last access time AND the time when the quiz must be completed. If a time limit is set, regardless of whether there is time left on the timer, the quiz closing time determines when a student's attempt ends.

          Time limit

          Note: If a quiz closing time is set, a student's attempt will end on or before this time, regardless of whether there is time left on the timer. Thus, if a quiz closing time is set together with a time limit of say 3 hours, it is recommended that students are informed that they must begin their quiz attempt at least 3 hours before the quiz closing time.

          Further suggested improvements to the documentation are always welcome.

          Thank you also for suggesting this improvement to Moodle. Setting a fix version of DEV backlog for the issue to be considered for possible inclusion in a future version of Moodle.

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          Helen Foster added a comment - Dear Mr Ashland, Thank you for pointing out the lack of documentation regarding the quiz closing time and the time limit. I have amended http://docs.moodle.org/en/Quiz_settings and added the following sentences: Close the quiz Note: The quiz closing time is the last access time AND the time when the quiz must be completed. If a time limit is set, regardless of whether there is time left on the timer, the quiz closing time determines when a student's attempt ends. Time limit Note: If a quiz closing time is set, a student's attempt will end on or before this time, regardless of whether there is time left on the timer. Thus, if a quiz closing time is set together with a time limit of say 3 hours, it is recommended that students are informed that they must begin their quiz attempt at least 3 hours before the quiz closing time. Further suggested improvements to the documentation are always welcome. Thank you also for suggesting this improvement to Moodle. Setting a fix version of DEV backlog for the issue to be considered for possible inclusion in a future version of Moodle.

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