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  2. MDL-41924

Minimise questions included with quiz backups

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    • Affected Branches:
      MOODLE_25_STABLE, MOODLE_26_STABLE, MOODLE_27_STABLE, MOODLE_28_STABLE, MOODLE_29_STABLE, MOODLE_31_STABLE

      Description

      In MDL-12403 we addressed the ability to exclude the question bank entirely from backups. But people would also like it so that the entire question category is not included if a quiz uses a question from that category.

      For example, in the following hierarcy, all questions will be backed up:

      • System Question - IN QUIZ
      • System Question - NOT IN QUIZ
        • Course Cat Question - IN QUIZ
        • Course Cat Question - NOT IN QUIZ
          • Course Question - IN QUIZ
          • Course Question - NOT IN QUIZ
            • Quiz Question - IN QUIZ

      Ideally, only the ones in the quiz would be backed up. However, this is very tricky problem, because there can be cases like random questions where it can be any question from a category.

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              poltawski Dan Poltawski added a comment -

              Note that a lot of discussion about this topic has taken place on MDL-12403, so please read the whole of that issue to get a full understanding of this issue.

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              poltawski Dan Poltawski added a comment - Note that a lot of discussion about this topic has taken place on MDL-12403 , so please read the whole of that issue to get a full understanding of this issue.
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              hinkelman Don Hinkelman added a comment -

              Is the tricky part of this problem just random questions? If it is, and if we are trying to design a solution that would backup all possible random questions anywhere, then indeed I find it very difficult to imagine a fix. I do however, see a possible solution if random questions are manually regulated to be contained in an immediate parent category. As a question bank manager, I found it is not too hard to move large sets of questions up and down among categories. So this solution may work in combination with recommended manual quiz bank policy administration. Now, the current situation may be three basic cases (please correct me): 1) if questions are in a course category, just those questions will be backed up, 2) if any questions are in a higher level category, the whole question bank is backed up, and 3) if "no question bank" option is checked, nothing in the question bank will backed up (new MDL-12403). What if several options are built into #3? Instead of a yes/no checkbox, a dropdown menu gives us these options: a) backup entire question bank, b) backup immediate parent category questions with course questions, and c) backup course questions only. If random questions are detected in the backup process, there can be a warning message. The warning would say, that random questions are present and the whole question bank will be included. If a question bank manager has put all random questions in a specific category, then the manager can override the whole question bank being backed up and instead select the specific category where the random questions are contained.

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              hinkelman Don Hinkelman added a comment - Is the tricky part of this problem just random questions? If it is, and if we are trying to design a solution that would backup all possible random questions anywhere, then indeed I find it very difficult to imagine a fix. I do however, see a possible solution if random questions are manually regulated to be contained in an immediate parent category. As a question bank manager, I found it is not too hard to move large sets of questions up and down among categories. So this solution may work in combination with recommended manual quiz bank policy administration. Now, the current situation may be three basic cases (please correct me): 1) if questions are in a course category, just those questions will be backed up, 2) if any questions are in a higher level category, the whole question bank is backed up, and 3) if "no question bank" option is checked, nothing in the question bank will backed up (new MDL-12403 ). What if several options are built into #3? Instead of a yes/no checkbox, a dropdown menu gives us these options: a) backup entire question bank, b) backup immediate parent category questions with course questions, and c) backup course questions only. If random questions are detected in the backup process, there can be a warning message. The warning would say, that random questions are present and the whole question bank will be included. If a question bank manager has put all random questions in a specific category, then the manager can override the whole question bank being backed up and instead select the specific category where the random questions are contained.
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              lkelly20 Louise Kelly (UNE) added a comment -

              I see only three Options required for backup or import. Ultimately this could be three radio button options (instead of a checkbox) with Option 1 selected by default

              Option 1) Exclude question bank
              Option 2) Include question bank
              Option 3) Include only used questions* (*if random questions are detected all questions will be included)

              This assumes all questions are saved at course level.

              A checkbox option to include/exclude question bank is now the subject of MDL-12403

              I don't see a need for the proposed option "b) backup immediate parent category questions with course questions". If the question bank is shared at a common parent category level for sharing among all courses in the parent category, then the default option should be sufficient to manage things (we don't want the process to copy all questions from a Parent category and dump it at course level. This defeats the purpose of having questions in a parent category.

              Some of our schools do utilise a large question bank saved at a parent category level. Their courses have no questions saved at course level. Can someone explain to me the use-case for the proposed option "b) backup immediate parent category questions with course questions" or am I not understanding something about the way question bank is treated in a backup or import?

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              lkelly20 Louise Kelly (UNE) added a comment - I see only three Options required for backup or import. Ultimately this could be three radio button options (instead of a checkbox) with Option 1 selected by default Option 1) Exclude question bank Option 2) Include question bank Option 3) Include only used questions* (*if random questions are detected all questions will be included) This assumes all questions are saved at course level. A checkbox option to include/exclude question bank is now the subject of MDL-12403 I don't see a need for the proposed option "b) backup immediate parent category questions with course questions". If the question bank is shared at a common parent category level for sharing among all courses in the parent category, then the default option should be sufficient to manage things (we don't want the process to copy all questions from a Parent category and dump it at course level. This defeats the purpose of having questions in a parent category. Some of our schools do utilise a large question bank saved at a parent category level. Their courses have no questions saved at course level. Can someone explain to me the use-case for the proposed option "b) backup immediate parent category questions with course questions" or am I not understanding something about the way question bank is treated in a backup or import?
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              aolley Adam Olley added a comment -

              Louise: The need to have the parent category backed up becomes an issue when you want to restore the backup to a different instance of Moodle. If it's intended for use in the same instance of moodle, then that's where you'd pick C I guess.

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              aolley Adam Olley added a comment - Louise: The need to have the parent category backed up becomes an issue when you want to restore the backup to a different instance of Moodle. If it's intended for use in the same instance of moodle, then that's where you'd pick C I guess.
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              emmarichardson Emma Richardson added a comment -

              I still see this as too "all or nothing". Just because I use a single category for random questions does not mean I need the entire question bank. If we were to encourage category use, could an option not be to "just include those categories used in this course". That way, random questions would be taken care of without the need for hundreds or thousands of unneeded questions. So perhaps the options could be:
              Just include the questions used in the course
              Just include the question categories used in the course (this would be regardless of category location - course or system)
              Include the entire question bank
              Exclude the question bank (no quizzes will be exported/imported)

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              emmarichardson Emma Richardson added a comment - I still see this as too "all or nothing". Just because I use a single category for random questions does not mean I need the entire question bank. If we were to encourage category use, could an option not be to "just include those categories used in this course". That way, random questions would be taken care of without the need for hundreds or thousands of unneeded questions. So perhaps the options could be: Just include the questions used in the course Just include the question categories used in the course (this would be regardless of category location - course or system) Include the entire question bank Exclude the question bank (no quizzes will be exported/imported)
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              villalon Jorge Villalon added a comment -

              In our case (we use tons of random questions) Emma's option of "Just include the question categories used in the course" would fit our business case perfectly.

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              villalon Jorge Villalon added a comment - In our case (we use tons of random questions) Emma's option of "Just include the question categories used in the course" would fit our business case perfectly.
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              hinkelman Don Hinkelman added a comment -

              These four options make sense. As a question bank manager, I notice a course often uses about 100 questions within a 500 question category. Thus option #2 is ideal for us. We do not the full 12,000 questions that are in our whole question bank (resulting in 1gb sized backups for a single course). The all-or-nothing solution for question bank backup forces us to consider setting up separate Moodle sites for every department in the university, which naturally is undesirable. For clarity, let's number the four options that Emma recommended.
              1. Just include the questions used in the course
              2. Just include the question categories used in the course (this would be regardless of category location - course or system)
              3. Include the entire question bank
              4. Exclude the question bank (no quizzes will be exported/imported)
              #3 and #4 are currently implemented as of Moodle 2.6, I believe. Also, is there a need for an option to backup all the questions in Course category+Parent category. Is this a fifth option?

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              hinkelman Don Hinkelman added a comment - These four options make sense. As a question bank manager, I notice a course often uses about 100 questions within a 500 question category. Thus option #2 is ideal for us. We do not the full 12,000 questions that are in our whole question bank (resulting in 1gb sized backups for a single course). The all-or-nothing solution for question bank backup forces us to consider setting up separate Moodle sites for every department in the university, which naturally is undesirable. For clarity, let's number the four options that Emma recommended. 1. Just include the questions used in the course 2. Just include the question categories used in the course (this would be regardless of category location - course or system) 3. Include the entire question bank 4. Exclude the question bank (no quizzes will be exported/imported) #3 and #4 are currently implemented as of Moodle 2.6, I believe. Also, is there a need for an option to backup all the questions in Course category+Parent category. Is this a fifth option?
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              emmarichardson Emma Richardson added a comment -

              I think that when you start adding parent categories, you might be overcomplicating the issue. If the parent category contains questions being used, it would already be included in the category option. If not, why do you need it and when do you stop? What if categories are nested several levels down - does the process just jump up one level or all the way to the top? At that point, you can just select the whole bank option.

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              emmarichardson Emma Richardson added a comment - I think that when you start adding parent categories, you might be overcomplicating the issue. If the parent category contains questions being used, it would already be included in the category option. If not, why do you need it and when do you stop? What if categories are nested several levels down - does the process just jump up one level or all the way to the top? At that point, you can just select the whole bank option.
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              hinkelman Don Hinkelman added a comment -

              I see. Sticking with these four options would handle the cases we are describing. Dan, does that strategy make sense to you?

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              hinkelman Don Hinkelman added a comment - I see. Sticking with these four options would handle the cases we are describing. Dan, does that strategy make sense to you?
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              mebenson Melissa Benson added a comment -

              Just wondering if this will ever get looked into more?

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              mebenson Melissa Benson added a comment - Just wondering if this will ever get looked into more?
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              hinkelman Don Hinkelman added a comment -

              I am looking forward to this significant issue being addressed. Tracing the discussion in MDL-12403, it has now been going on for over eight years.

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              hinkelman Don Hinkelman added a comment - I am looking forward to this significant issue being addressed. Tracing the discussion in MDL-12403 , it has now been going on for over eight years.
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              emmarichardson Emma Richardson added a comment -

              Me too - I ended up rebuilding my whole site and losing my nice system level question bank because of the problems that it caused. Happy to help test any solutions.

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              emmarichardson Emma Richardson added a comment - Me too - I ended up rebuilding my whole site and losing my nice system level question bank because of the problems that it caused. Happy to help test any solutions.
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              pmk Przemek Kaszubski added a comment -

              I second all the requests here. It is a security issue, too: if you want to share a quiz with someone, you need to be soooo careful not to give away the entirte question bank in your course.

              My own workaround is to try to only use quiz-level question banks, but it is not always a good solution.

              BTW the "Affects Version/s" shoiuld be post-edited - ALL the versions including the 2.8 series (not sure about 2.9 dev) are affected.

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              pmk Przemek Kaszubski added a comment - I second all the requests here. It is a security issue, too: if you want to share a quiz with someone, you need to be soooo careful not to give away the entirte question bank in your course. My own workaround is to try to only use quiz-level question banks, but it is not always a good solution. BTW the "Affects Version/s" shoiuld be post-edited - ALL the versions including the 2.8 series (not sure about 2.9 dev) are affected.
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              mebenson Melissa Benson added a comment -

              Quick question - if we have set up a shared question bank (https://docs.moodle.org/28/en/Question_sharer) and have quiz questions under "system"...those aren't getting duplicated, right?

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              mebenson Melissa Benson added a comment - Quick question - if we have set up a shared question bank ( https://docs.moodle.org/28/en/Question_sharer ) and have quiz questions under "system"...those aren't getting duplicated, right?
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              timhunt Tim Hunt added a comment -

              They should not be getting duplicated. If you check and find that they are, please let us know.

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              timhunt Tim Hunt added a comment - They should not be getting duplicated. If you check and find that they are, please let us know.
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              sam.lambda Sam McCulough added a comment -

              Hi all,

              Has there been any additional thought to this issue? I've got a client whose course back up is only 50MB in mbz format, but the question bank has 120,000+ questions. It is timing out his restore. I've duplicated the issue with a backup provided by the client, as well as my own generated one from their site. The site they're trying to restore the backup to is on 2.7.4. But I have seen a Gateway Timeout or white screen in my own 2.9 sandbox. The issue is only present when the question bank is included. As soon as it is removed the backup can be restored on their and my internal site no problem.

              If the consensus is that is too risky to send quizzes with copies of questions from the bank, then perhaps changes to the question bank xml file could be made? I was thinking they could be split up into multiple xml files that are of a manageable parsing size for the site. Similar to how you can split a zip file up. Just an idea though, I'm not sure on the code changes needed to make something like this possible.

              Cheers,
              Sam

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              sam.lambda Sam McCulough added a comment - Hi all, Has there been any additional thought to this issue? I've got a client whose course back up is only 50MB in mbz format, but the question bank has 120,000+ questions. It is timing out his restore. I've duplicated the issue with a backup provided by the client, as well as my own generated one from their site. The site they're trying to restore the backup to is on 2.7.4. But I have seen a Gateway Timeout or white screen in my own 2.9 sandbox. The issue is only present when the question bank is included. As soon as it is removed the backup can be restored on their and my internal site no problem. If the consensus is that is too risky to send quizzes with copies of questions from the bank, then perhaps changes to the question bank xml file could be made? I was thinking they could be split up into multiple xml files that are of a manageable parsing size for the site. Similar to how you can split a zip file up. Just an idea though, I'm not sure on the code changes needed to make something like this possible. Cheers, Sam
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              aressaissi Amir added a comment -

              i believe that this is why my back-up and restore doesn't work. However, restoring without the questions and quizzes is not an option. I have spent hundreds of hours in organizing and reorganizing my question categories during the last 6 years. This is a total disaster!!

              Since this seems to be a very difficult problem to solve, Is it possible to completely revamp how the questions are stored? Perhaps it could be how Google Docs used to be with only 1 location for all questions but where a 'pointer' to a questions could be put into individual folders. This would also allow a question to be in more than 1 folder at the same time without making copies of it.

              In any case, we would all be very grateful if this issue could be worked on as soon as possible. The people running into these problems are the one's that use Moodle the most.

              Thanks,
              Amir.

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              aressaissi Amir added a comment - i believe that this is why my back-up and restore doesn't work. However, restoring without the questions and quizzes is not an option. I have spent hundreds of hours in organizing and reorganizing my question categories during the last 6 years. This is a total disaster!! Since this seems to be a very difficult problem to solve, Is it possible to completely revamp how the questions are stored? Perhaps it could be how Google Docs used to be with only 1 location for all questions but where a 'pointer' to a questions could be put into individual folders. This would also allow a question to be in more than 1 folder at the same time without making copies of it. In any case, we would all be very grateful if this issue could be worked on as soon as possible. The people running into these problems are the one's that use Moodle the most. Thanks, Amir.
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              slivkak Kathleen Slivka added a comment -

              Please advise how you manage this. If a question that is used in a dozen courses gets a mandatory edit, do you change it in every course affected? We have had the system level question bank for 4 years, and we're having very serious problems with randomized questions being served twice in the same quiz. Also old questions that were discarded are re-appearing.

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              slivkak Kathleen Slivka added a comment - Please advise how you manage this. If a question that is used in a dozen courses gets a mandatory edit, do you change it in every course affected? We have had the system level question bank for 4 years, and we're having very serious problems with randomized questions being served twice in the same quiz. Also old questions that were discarded are re-appearing.
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              lkelly20 Louise Kelly (UNE) added a comment -

              Hi Kathleen,

              These aren't questions for this forum. Only comments relating to this ticket should be made here. These are technical questions that should be directed to whoever hosts your Moodle or whoever in your organisation maintains it. You could even throw this question out to the Community on Moodle.org help forums (go here: https://moodle.org/course/view.php?id=5).
              1. Any question stored at system level that is used in multiple courses only needs to be edited at the system level once. However, the type of edit matters and if you edit the answers it affects all attempts at that question in every quiz it appears in. Better to make a copy of it and make sure the copy is correct and used for future quizzes.
              2. The only case of reappearing questions with us occurred because someone editing their question bank had a dodgy network connection localised to her office. Changes they made were not applied, so next time they looked it appeared that questions were reappearing (even whole categories she thought she'd removed. When she moved offices it ceased to be an issue.

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              lkelly20 Louise Kelly (UNE) added a comment - Hi Kathleen, These aren't questions for this forum. Only comments relating to this ticket should be made here. These are technical questions that should be directed to whoever hosts your Moodle or whoever in your organisation maintains it. You could even throw this question out to the Community on Moodle.org help forums (go here: https://moodle.org/course/view.php?id=5 ). 1. Any question stored at system level that is used in multiple courses only needs to be edited at the system level once. However, the type of edit matters and if you edit the answers it affects all attempts at that question in every quiz it appears in. Better to make a copy of it and make sure the copy is correct and used for future quizzes. 2. The only case of reappearing questions with us occurred because someone editing their question bank had a dodgy network connection localised to her office. Changes they made were not applied, so next time they looked it appeared that questions were reappearing (even whole categories she thought she'd removed. When she moved offices it ceased to be an issue.
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              hinkelman Don Hinkelman added a comment -

              Hi Louise,
              I think Kathleen is spot on to post her problem here. Her problems are deeply related to this issue--dealing with randomized questions has been blocker mentioned in the parent issue (MDL-12403). Also, the use of system-level categories is highly dangerous when you scale beyond a thousand items. This is because of the inability to minimize items included in a question bank backup, many administrators, teaching teams and curriculum managers are forced to abandon any system-level categories and push all questions into course-level categories, which are invisible to many others who would like to share those questions. Furthermore, I am getting an increasing inflation of duplicate questions like Kathleen reports, with recently-deleted categories re-appearing. I can't see a pattern yet, but I am trying to figure it out. This problem may be a side issue or it may be a structural clue that can help us solve this eight-year old, increasingly fossilized bug in the question bank.

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              hinkelman Don Hinkelman added a comment - Hi Louise, I think Kathleen is spot on to post her problem here. Her problems are deeply related to this issue--dealing with randomized questions has been blocker mentioned in the parent issue ( MDL-12403 ). Also, the use of system-level categories is highly dangerous when you scale beyond a thousand items. This is because of the inability to minimize items included in a question bank backup, many administrators, teaching teams and curriculum managers are forced to abandon any system-level categories and push all questions into course-level categories, which are invisible to many others who would like to share those questions. Furthermore, I am getting an increasing inflation of duplicate questions like Kathleen reports, with recently-deleted categories re-appearing. I can't see a pattern yet, but I am trying to figure it out. This problem may be a side issue or it may be a structural clue that can help us solve this eight-year old, increasingly fossilized bug in the question bank.
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              hinkelman Don Hinkelman added a comment -

              I have posted a workaround for minimizing questions in a question bank for backup/restore in Moodle Docs: https://docs.moodle.org/29/en/How_to_minimize_the_question_bank_when_doing_backup/restore As it is rather complicated and time consuming (it took me about 15 hours to do this over several days), I hope this issue will be addressed in Moodle 3.0.

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              hinkelman Don Hinkelman added a comment - I have posted a workaround for minimizing questions in a question bank for backup/restore in Moodle Docs: https://docs.moodle.org/29/en/How_to_minimize_the_question_bank_when_doing_backup/restore As it is rather complicated and time consuming (it took me about 15 hours to do this over several days), I hope this issue will be addressed in Moodle 3.0.
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              tdindorf Tom Dindorf added a comment - - edited

              Hi all!
              (possibly through ignorance, but) I don’t understand why not let a Quiz be imported from one Course to another if ‘Include question bank’ is de-selected:

              I store all questions at ‘course category' level (class_of_20+), not 'course' level, so that questions may be shared by all of my courses (class_of_2017, class_of_2016, …).
              Consequently, the imported Quiz will point to the same questions as the original Quiz did – there is no need to backup/import questions.

              As things stand, trying to import a quiz lasts for too long (presumably due to the backing up of the entire question bank, with its 4000+ questions)

              [Context: Each course runs for 2 years or more. Each year a new cohort begins their journey. Each cohort (class_of_2017) follows a path similar to that of the previous year (e.g. class_of_2016, class_of_2015,…), with minor adjustments e.g. which questions appear in which quiz. So as not to have to rewrite 100+ quizzes for the new cohort, I’d like to import all the quizzes from one course (class_of_2016) into another (class_of_2017) to form a basis for future development; however, changes to e.g. Quiz_10 should apply only to the cohort that has not taken it yet (class_of_2017), which is why the Quizzes are in separate courses (as opposed to e.g. using 'groups'). Also, I mainly use random questions in quizzes – this allows me to add questions to a given folder ('question category', e.g ‘speed’) without having to rewrite a quiz.]

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              tdindorf Tom Dindorf added a comment - - edited Hi all! (possibly through ignorance, but) I don’t understand why not let a Quiz be imported from one Course to another if ‘Include question bank’ is de-selected: I store all questions at ‘course category' level (class_of_20+), not 'course' level, so that questions may be shared by all of my courses (class_of_2017, class_of_2016, …). Consequently, the imported Quiz will point to the same questions as the original Quiz did – there is no need to backup/import questions. As things stand, trying to import a quiz lasts for too long (presumably due to the backing up of the entire question bank, with its 4000+ questions) [Context: Each course runs for 2 years or more. Each year a new cohort begins their journey. Each cohort (class_of_2017) follows a path similar to that of the previous year (e.g. class_of_2016, class_of_2015,…), with minor adjustments e.g. which questions appear in which quiz. So as not to have to rewrite 100+ quizzes for the new cohort, I’d like to import all the quizzes from one course (class_of_2016) into another (class_of_2017) to form a basis for future development; however, changes to e.g. Quiz_10 should apply only to the cohort that has not taken it yet (class_of_2017), which is why the Quizzes are in separate courses (as opposed to e.g. using 'groups'). Also, I mainly use random questions in quizzes – this allows me to add questions to a given folder ('question category', e.g ‘speed’) without having to rewrite a quiz.]
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              emmarichardson Emma Richardson added a comment -

              Regardless of where the question lives, it is in the question bank. No question bank, no questions...
              The backup engine would have to be able to determine if the question is in a place that is automatically available to the new course and it isn't going to know that until it restores .... by which time it would have had to back up the questions just in case ... for example, what if you restored the quiz to a different category or a different site?? The questions pretty much have to be backed up..

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              emmarichardson Emma Richardson added a comment - Regardless of where the question lives, it is in the question bank. No question bank, no questions... The backup engine would have to be able to determine if the question is in a place that is automatically available to the new course and it isn't going to know that until it restores .... by which time it would have had to back up the questions just in case ... for example, what if you restored the quiz to a different category or a different site?? The questions pretty much have to be backed up..
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              tdindorf Tom Dindorf added a comment -

              Well, if I was foolish enough to import quizzes into an area that does not have access the relevant question categories, then I'd expect to get an error message when attempting the quiz - just as I do now if I move questions out of folder, from which random questions are to be picked. That, however, would be my error. Before doing so I'd therefore chose to backup the questions (actually i'd just export then import the question first, but only to a new site - I don't see the point of having the same questions duplicated in different categories on the same site).
              However, in the situation I described earlier, the automatic question backup process seems to crash the server - I end up having to re-write the quizzes by hand ...
              Separate question (still my situation, i.e. questions held in an area accessible to multiple courses): in the current backup-restore scenario, when the backed-up questions are 'restored' during a quiz import, given that the system is 'restoring' already existing questions into already existing categories, are the existing questions overwritten, or skipped over?

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              tdindorf Tom Dindorf added a comment - Well, if I was foolish enough to import quizzes into an area that does not have access the relevant question categories, then I'd expect to get an error message when attempting the quiz - just as I do now if I move questions out of folder, from which random questions are to be picked. That, however, would be my error. Before doing so I'd therefore chose to backup the questions (actually i'd just export then import the question first, but only to a new site - I don't see the point of having the same questions duplicated in different categories on the same site). However, in the situation I described earlier, the automatic question backup process seems to crash the server - I end up having to re-write the quizzes by hand ... Separate question (still my situation, i.e. questions held in an area accessible to multiple courses): in the current backup-restore scenario, when the backed-up questions are 'restored' during a quiz import, given that the system is 'restoring' already existing questions into already existing categories, are the existing questions overwritten, or skipped over?
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              brianking Brian King added a comment - - edited

              How about adding the possibility to have multiple system-level question banks? That would then allow only backing up those system-level question banks that are used in a quiz in the course.

              This might be easier to implement than the finer grained solution of only including the questions that are used in the quiz (along with the complications of random questions or composed question types (question types that have child questions)).

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              brianking Brian King added a comment - - edited How about adding the possibility to have multiple system-level question banks? That would then allow only backing up those system-level question banks that are used in a quiz in the course. This might be easier to implement than the finer grained solution of only including the questions that are used in the quiz (along with the complications of random questions or composed question types (question types that have child questions)).
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              emmarichardson Emma Richardson added a comment -

              Isn't that exactly what categories are?

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              emmarichardson Emma Richardson added a comment - Isn't that exactly what categories are?
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              brianking Brian King added a comment -

              Emma Richardson I guess I should look a bit closer at the code / system before making suggestions . I seem to have made a nonsensical suggestion.

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              brianking Brian King added a comment - Emma Richardson I guess I should look a bit closer at the code / system before making suggestions . I seem to have made a nonsensical suggestion.
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              emmarichardson Emma Richardson added a comment -

              Happens to the best of us - you just had the same great idea that Moodle had already!

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              emmarichardson Emma Richardson added a comment - Happens to the best of us - you just had the same great idea that Moodle had already!

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