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  2. MDLSITE-1062

HTML editor no longer available in messages on Moodle.org

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    • Type: Bug Bug
    • Status: Closed
    • Priority: Major Major
    • Resolution: Won't Fix
    • Component/s: moodle.org
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      Description

      HTML editor no longer available in messages on Moodle.org

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        Helen Foster added a comment -

        Joseph, thanks for your report. Assigning to our messaging expert Andrew.

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        Helen Foster added a comment - Joseph, thanks for your report. Assigning to our messaging expert Andrew.
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        Andrew Davis added a comment -

        Hi. I'm not sure this is going to change anytime soon. It was decided that messages should always be plain text. No html. So allowing the html editor didn't make any sense. Is there a particular reason why you need the html editor in messaging?

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        Andrew Davis added a comment - Hi. I'm not sure this is going to change anytime soon. It was decided that messages should always be plain text. No html. So allowing the html editor didn't make any sense. Is there a particular reason why you need the html editor in messaging?
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        Joseph Rézeau added a comment -

        Hi Andrew,
        On moodle.org, I sometimes need to contact a fellow moodler and attach a file (mostly a screenshot).
        Is the lack of HTML editor a general feature of moodle 2.0 or can it be turned on and off by admin? Would it be possible to enable the HTML editor for messages on moodle.org. ?
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        Joseph

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        Joseph Rézeau added a comment - Hi Andrew, On moodle.org, I sometimes need to contact a fellow moodler and attach a file (mostly a screenshot). Is the lack of HTML editor a general feature of moodle 2.0 or can it be turned on and off by admin? Would it be possible to enable the HTML editor for messages on moodle.org. ? ATB Joseph
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        Andrew Davis added a comment -

        The ability to attach files to messages is actually a feature I'm specifically forbidden from adding to Moodle. The idea being that Moodle is not a general purpose messaging tool. Its not a replacement for email. Typically when people want to send each other files what they're doing would be better done within an activity. For example having the discussion in public in a forum where others can learn from what's being said rather than in private in messaging.

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        Andrew Davis added a comment - The ability to attach files to messages is actually a feature I'm specifically forbidden from adding to Moodle. The idea being that Moodle is not a general purpose messaging tool. Its not a replacement for email. Typically when people want to send each other files what they're doing would be better done within an activity. For example having the discussion in public in a forum where others can learn from what's being said rather than in private in messaging.
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        Joseph Rézeau added a comment -

        1.- "Moodle is not a general purpose messaging tool" : point taken.

        2.- "Typically when people want to send each other files what they're doing would be better done within an activity. For example having the discussion in public in a forum where others can learn from what's being said rather than in private in messaging."

        Yes, in general, but we sometimes need to attach files to a private message, for privacy reasons.

        OK, then.

        Joseph

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        Joseph Rézeau added a comment - 1.- "Moodle is not a general purpose messaging tool" : point taken. 2.- "Typically when people want to send each other files what they're doing would be better done within an activity. For example having the discussion in public in a forum where others can learn from what's being said rather than in private in messaging." Yes, in general, but we sometimes need to attach files to a private message, for privacy reasons. OK, then. Joseph
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        Manish Verma added a comment -

        Hi, one part of online education that I conduct makes use of virtual classrooms. I use the Moodle message system as support tool. If a student has problem, say in entering the virtual classroom and he/she is not able to resolve the issue, then he/she writes about it via the message. Without screenshot, it is sometimes difficult to troubleshoot the issue. Online education is not just about teaching subjects, it is also about handling some technical issues. While it is true that there are other ways to upload images, a one point solution is ealier for the student - especially upto K-12 level. Attachment in messaging can add value to moodle. There possibly can be an option to switch-off / switch-on the attachment feature in moodle.

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        Manish Verma added a comment - Hi, one part of online education that I conduct makes use of virtual classrooms. I use the Moodle message system as support tool. If a student has problem, say in entering the virtual classroom and he/she is not able to resolve the issue, then he/she writes about it via the message. Without screenshot, it is sometimes difficult to troubleshoot the issue. Online education is not just about teaching subjects, it is also about handling some technical issues. While it is true that there are other ways to upload images, a one point solution is ealier for the student - especially upto K-12 level. Attachment in messaging can add value to moodle. There possibly can be an option to switch-off / switch-on the attachment feature in moodle.
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        Andrew Davis added a comment -

        Hi. Here is a discussion thread that provides a better explanation for why we are reluctant to add support for attachments to messaging.

        http://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=152768

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        Andrew Davis added a comment - Hi. Here is a discussion thread that provides a better explanation for why we are reluctant to add support for attachments to messaging. http://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=152768
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        Martin Dougiamas added a comment -

        Yeah, can't see this happening in core messaging (HTML or file attachments). There's just too many follow-on problems.

        Perhaps it could be implemented in a contrib module for those who really want private file-sending in Moodle.

        Otherwise, just use the email link on the profile.

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        Martin Dougiamas added a comment - Yeah, can't see this happening in core messaging (HTML or file attachments). There's just too many follow-on problems. Perhaps it could be implemented in a contrib module for those who really want private file-sending in Moodle. Otherwise, just use the email link on the profile.
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        Toni Landenberger added a comment -

        Here is a problem, however: The Participants block allows you to send messages to students. The Participants block DOES have the HTML editor. However, when the message comes into the Messages tool after having been sent with HTML features from Participants, the code is not interpreted properly and the display is far from ideal. Our college also would really love the HTML editor back in the Messages block. We did do attachments using the link feature, but that won't work as well with 2.0 anyway due to the new structure of the file system. However, being able to format text (putting instructions in numbered lists or highlighting key points) is very nice to have. We came to Moodle from a WebCT and then Angel path, and our instructors' #1 complaint with Moodle is the lack of a "course mail" tool. Our college philosophy has always been to keep all interaction within the course (important to us from an HLC standpoint), so using our college email which is separate from the course or using Quickmail which pushes out to an external email system are neither one ideal. We were thrilled with some of the improvements in Moodle 2 messaging, such as seeing the ability to filter contacts by course (yea!!!), but disappointed at the loss of the HTML editor. A true course-based email system would be a dream.

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        Toni Landenberger added a comment - Here is a problem, however: The Participants block allows you to send messages to students. The Participants block DOES have the HTML editor. However, when the message comes into the Messages tool after having been sent with HTML features from Participants, the code is not interpreted properly and the display is far from ideal. Our college also would really love the HTML editor back in the Messages block. We did do attachments using the link feature, but that won't work as well with 2.0 anyway due to the new structure of the file system. However, being able to format text (putting instructions in numbered lists or highlighting key points) is very nice to have. We came to Moodle from a WebCT and then Angel path, and our instructors' #1 complaint with Moodle is the lack of a "course mail" tool. Our college philosophy has always been to keep all interaction within the course (important to us from an HLC standpoint), so using our college email which is separate from the course or using Quickmail which pushes out to an external email system are neither one ideal. We were thrilled with some of the improvements in Moodle 2 messaging, such as seeing the ability to filter contacts by course (yea!!!), but disappointed at the loss of the HTML editor. A true course-based email system would be a dream.
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        Shamim Rezaie added a comment - - edited

        but HTML editor is not just about attaching files!
        it's sometimes essential to format text. for example in right-to-left languages.
        if I write a message that contains some English words in an rtl language and send it to someone that uses Moodle in a non-rtl language (lets say English), reading the message would be too difficult for the receiver.

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        Shamim Rezaie added a comment - - edited but HTML editor is not just about attaching files! it's sometimes essential to format text. for example in right-to-left languages. if I write a message that contains some English words in an rtl language and send it to someone that uses Moodle in a non-rtl language (lets say English), reading the message would be too difficult for the receiver.

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