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    • Type: Improvement Improvement
    • Status: Closed
    • Priority: Minor Minor
    • Resolution: Fixed
    • Component/s: demo.moodle.net
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      I need a place to store and retrieve the current version of a Lesson demo. I am proposing 4 lessons in topic 7 on demo.moodle.org . I started this project in 1.8 and had a my first rough hack done in April 2007. I restored it to a Sept 07 Beta version of 1.9 . I want to have my 3 physical work locations all have a localhost devoted to this project. While I don't use tracker, this seemed like a good place and others could download the latest version to test..

      I created some documentation pages for myself in MoodleDocs. Gives some ideas about what I am trying to accomplish.

      http://docs.moodle.org/en/User:chris_collman/LessonDemo1

      I have also created a page that attempts to list each lesson, the page title, the page type and any jumps, here at

      http://docs.moodle.org/en/User:chris_collman/LessonDemo1/LessonPageList

      Most recent backup is -1625 or the only backup file showing.

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          Chris Collman added a comment - - edited

          added label and course comment with links to tracker and MoodleDocs. Added teacher.demo, student.demo, student2.demo users.

          Most recent backup -1031

          Lesson 1, 2, 3, 4 - compiled.
          Lesson 1, 2, 3, 4 - Lesson settings reviewed
          Lesson 1, 2 3,4 - 1st check for words/graphics

          Lesson 1, 2,3, x -check as Student2

          Lesson 3 redesigned, but End of Branch pages buggy MDL-12677

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          Chris Collman added a comment - - edited added label and course comment with links to tracker and MoodleDocs. Added teacher.demo, student.demo, student2.demo users. Most recent backup -1031 Lesson 1, 2, 3, 4 - compiled. Lesson 1, 2, 3, 4 - Lesson settings reviewed Lesson 1, 2 3,4 - 1st check for words/graphics Lesson 1, 2,3, x -check as Student2 Lesson 3 redesigned, but End of Branch pages buggy MDL-12677
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          Chris Collman added a comment - - edited

          A Tracker Administrator may delete following attached files:
          -1126
          -0936
          -0742
          -1802
          -2201
          -1219

          Thanks - Chris

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          Chris Collman added a comment - - edited A Tracker Administrator may delete following attached files: -1126 -0936 -0742 -1802 -2201 -1219 Thanks - Chris
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          Chris Collman added a comment -

          Revised Lesson 3 (Plan B) , put label in lesson and old Lesson 3 below. Altered Lesson 1 so part on Branch Table and branches was simpler.

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          Chris Collman added a comment - Revised Lesson 3 (Plan B) , put label in lesson and old Lesson 3 below. Altered Lesson 1 so part on Branch Table and branches was simpler.
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          Helen Foster added a comment -

          Hi Chris,

          A big THANK YOU for your lesson demos - they're great

          As the lesson module is packed with features, I suggest that, rather than attempting to demo every lesson feature in the Moodle features demo course, instead we have a lesson features course, and just include a very simple lesson demo in the Moodle features demo course.

          Could you edit your lesson demo course and remove all the empty sections (general features, assignments etc) and generally make it into a nice lesson features course?

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          Helen Foster added a comment - Hi Chris, A big THANK YOU for your lesson demos - they're great As the lesson module is packed with features, I suggest that, rather than attempting to demo every lesson feature in the Moodle features demo course, instead we have a lesson features course, and just include a very simple lesson demo in the Moodle features demo course. Could you edit your lesson demo course and remove all the empty sections (general features, assignments etc) and generally make it into a nice lesson features course?
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          Chris Collman added a comment -

          Hi Helen,
          My demo is really a nuts and bolts but could be consider a course that contains a "sample" lesson. I will do that before the weekend is over.

          I set it up that way so it could be imported into the existing demo.moodle.org and not mess other sections and I used existing course files.

          I understand the simple lesson demo. If I was doing it, it would have a max 20 pages (10 seconds a page at a slow read - 3 minutes max). Maybe a branch table at the start with 3 options buttons (section 1 intro, section 2 about questions, last button end lesson). There would not be any clusters or complicated jumps, we will leave that to the sample course on a Lesson demonstration. But I would put in some graphics and perhaps some optional media links.

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          Chris Collman added a comment - Hi Helen, My demo is really a nuts and bolts but could be consider a course that contains a "sample" lesson. I will do that before the weekend is over. I set it up that way so it could be imported into the existing demo.moodle.org and not mess other sections and I used existing course files. I understand the simple lesson demo. If I was doing it, it would have a max 20 pages (10 seconds a page at a slow read - 3 minutes max). Maybe a branch table at the start with 3 options buttons (section 1 intro, section 2 about questions, last button end lesson). There would not be any clusters or complicated jumps, we will leave that to the sample course on a Lesson demonstration. But I would put in some graphics and perhaps some optional media links.
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          Helen Foster added a comment -

          Hi Chris,

          Please find attached Lesson Features course which I suggest is added to demo.moodle.org. Are you happy with this?

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          Helen Foster added a comment - Hi Chris, Please find attached Lesson Features course which I suggest is added to demo.moodle.org. Are you happy with this?
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          Chris Collman added a comment -

          Hi Helen,
          I downloaded the Lesson and uploaded it on web based Moodle I upgraded to 1.9.3 . (www. wikifon.org/moodlefon). I am still happy with most of the lessons.

          I had 5 goals in my review: 1) I wanted to change the words "logical order" to "edit order", and some other more minor edits. 2) Recheck all the links, jumps and images. 3) I wanted to change the intro to say why lesson was different (adaptive and no direct teacher interaction) than other modules. 4) Indicate the simple basics and the more advanced navigation topics. 5) I also wanted to add a student (student2 demo) to the course, so teachers could see a grade in the Lesson and have an Lesson essay to "correct", which I think is a good idea for other modules (like Quiz and Assignment) as well.

          Big concern: I found that many (but not all) of the image paths did not translate in the upload. I went back and started changing them. The image file was in the course folder /lesson, but the insert image path did not point to that folder.

          I also found a couple of jumps which needed to be changed from "this page" to a specific page (numerical and essay)

          Thus, I wondered if I need to double check this up on demo.moodle.org, and just back up the New Lesson.

          What do you think? Is there another place to put it up on moodle.org that is the equal to demo.moodle that does not refresh every hour

          Also, it maybe that I am doing too many images. For example in the advanced cluster lesson, I created a two row multi column table, put different images in the top row cells and text in the bottom cells. I thought that by reusing images, that would reduce the lesson size. I could come up with Plan B and just use the text in a table. Your thoughts?

          Best Chris

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          Chris Collman added a comment - Hi Helen, I downloaded the Lesson and uploaded it on web based Moodle I upgraded to 1.9.3 . (www. wikifon.org/moodlefon). I am still happy with most of the lessons. I had 5 goals in my review: 1) I wanted to change the words "logical order" to "edit order", and some other more minor edits. 2) Recheck all the links, jumps and images. 3) I wanted to change the intro to say why lesson was different (adaptive and no direct teacher interaction) than other modules. 4) Indicate the simple basics and the more advanced navigation topics. 5) I also wanted to add a student (student2 demo) to the course, so teachers could see a grade in the Lesson and have an Lesson essay to "correct", which I think is a good idea for other modules (like Quiz and Assignment) as well. Big concern: I found that many (but not all) of the image paths did not translate in the upload. I went back and started changing them. The image file was in the course folder /lesson, but the insert image path did not point to that folder. I also found a couple of jumps which needed to be changed from "this page" to a specific page (numerical and essay) Thus, I wondered if I need to double check this up on demo.moodle.org, and just back up the New Lesson. What do you think? Is there another place to put it up on moodle.org that is the equal to demo.moodle that does not refresh every hour Also, it maybe that I am doing too many images. For example in the advanced cluster lesson, I created a two row multi column table, put different images in the top row cells and text in the bottom cells. I thought that by reusing images, that would reduce the lesson size. I could come up with Plan B and just use the text in a table. Your thoughts? Best Chris
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          Helen Foster added a comment -

          Hi Chris,

          Thanks for reviewing the lesson features course

          Please could you provide a backup of the lesson features course with the improvements you've made. I will then try restoring it to the new demo.moodle.org site and check all the image paths.

          Re. the use of images, I'd only use them where absolutely necessary, to keep things as simple as possible.

          Would you a backup of the lesson features course to be available for download, or do you think it's enough that people can play with the course on demo.moodle.org as an admin, teacher and student?

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          Helen Foster added a comment - Hi Chris, Thanks for reviewing the lesson features course Please could you provide a backup of the lesson features course with the improvements you've made. I will then try restoring it to the new demo.moodle.org site and check all the image paths. Re. the use of images, I'd only use them where absolutely necessary, to keep things as simple as possible. Would you a backup of the lesson features course to be available for download, or do you think it's enough that people can play with the course on demo.moodle.org as an admin, teacher and student?
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          Chris Collman added a comment -

          Ooops,
          I violated HF 101, simple is better. The current Lesson media folder has about 50 files, 750k. The largest file is a flash file 350k,and the typical image is 5-10k. The most complicate images are found in the 3rd lesson on advanced navigation.

          The 4 lessons are in crawl, walk, run, skip order, very intentionally on at least two levels.

          First I wanted to crawl with a basic lesson giving an over view. Next a lesson walking through each question type, with examples of conditional dependency and scoring. The Oh My lesson (third) is a run down of many of the advanced navigation features. The last Flash Card lesson is sort of an addendum of a specialized navigation tool..

          Second, I hear teachers want examples. In my opinion, we don't have examples of the features of the HTML editor, so in part, I worked that into the crawl, walk, run order. When they get to the run, there are examples of tables and internal file linking and image resizing, without any direct explanations.

          I have a huge investment in the 3rd lesson but I confess like any advanced part of Moodle, it was and is a pain to make sure it works consistently through different versions and different servers. Reading what I have just written (you are such a good listener Helen), let me cut the demo back to 2 lessons and do a bit of editing. This will demo the simple features and should improve its stability in multiple environments.

          You asked: I do think the lessons should be able to be downloaded and viewed as admin, teacher and student.

          I feel strongly that demo.moodle should have more student users for the admin and teacher to discover. In the context of the Lessons after a demo refresh, I would like to see the usual student demo who has not done anything in the Lesson topic. However, I would like to see another student having completed the lessons including the essay question and have a gradebook entry. I would like to see a third student almost completing the lesson, with just an essay needed to be graded. These students could be used in other topics and are not meant to be manipulated via an initial login.

          Thanks again for your comments. Let me get to work. Best Chris

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          Chris Collman added a comment - Ooops, I violated HF 101, simple is better. The current Lesson media folder has about 50 files, 750k. The largest file is a flash file 350k,and the typical image is 5-10k. The most complicate images are found in the 3rd lesson on advanced navigation. The 4 lessons are in crawl, walk, run, skip order, very intentionally on at least two levels. First I wanted to crawl with a basic lesson giving an over view. Next a lesson walking through each question type, with examples of conditional dependency and scoring. The Oh My lesson (third) is a run down of many of the advanced navigation features. The last Flash Card lesson is sort of an addendum of a specialized navigation tool.. Second, I hear teachers want examples. In my opinion, we don't have examples of the features of the HTML editor, so in part, I worked that into the crawl, walk, run order. When they get to the run, there are examples of tables and internal file linking and image resizing, without any direct explanations. I have a huge investment in the 3rd lesson but I confess like any advanced part of Moodle, it was and is a pain to make sure it works consistently through different versions and different servers. Reading what I have just written (you are such a good listener Helen), let me cut the demo back to 2 lessons and do a bit of editing. This will demo the simple features and should improve its stability in multiple environments. You asked: I do think the lessons should be able to be downloaded and viewed as admin, teacher and student. I feel strongly that demo.moodle should have more student users for the admin and teacher to discover. In the context of the Lessons after a demo refresh, I would like to see the usual student demo who has not done anything in the Lesson topic. However, I would like to see another student having completed the lessons including the essay question and have a gradebook entry. I would like to see a third student almost completing the lesson, with just an essay needed to be graded. These students could be used in other topics and are not meant to be manipulated via an initial login. Thanks again for your comments. Let me get to work. Best Chris
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          Chris Collman added a comment -

          Hi Helen,
          I cut down a version to 2 lessons which makes is 1.3 megs. Just looked at it up on demo.moodle and all the images seemed to be fine. I am adding lots of links to MoodleDocs in the text. There are some images, but most are small and straight forward.

          I may try to add a couple of students in demo.moodle. And see if I can reach my goal. Student One and Student Two, with a password of their last name.

          It is Veterans Day tomorrow in the US so that is a day off for me and depending upon the honeydew, some more time for Moodle.

          Best Chris

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          Chris Collman added a comment - Hi Helen, I cut down a version to 2 lessons which makes is 1.3 megs. Just looked at it up on demo.moodle and all the images seemed to be fine. I am adding lots of links to MoodleDocs in the text. There are some images, but most are small and straight forward. I may try to add a couple of students in demo.moodle. And see if I can reach my goal. Student One and Student Two, with a password of their last name. It is Veterans Day tomorrow in the US so that is a day off for me and depending upon the honeydew, some more time for Moodle. Best Chris
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          Chris Collman added a comment -

          This is my current "simple" lesson saved from demo.moodle.org Still needs a little tweaking in the question lesson, but I feel I am close to the HF101 standard <big grin>.

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          Chris Collman added a comment - This is my current "simple" lesson saved from demo.moodle.org Still needs a little tweaking in the question lesson, but I feel I am close to the HF101 standard <big grin>.
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          Bente Olsen added a comment -

          Hi Chris

          I have had a new look at your lesson demo. What a job you have done! I like that you have tightened it up and that there is no doubt about which answers to questions are right and which is not. It seem to me that you cover all the main issues in a approachable way (is that correct english??) and I think it will be very valuable to new users. There is only a few things I think could be looked at once more. So I have some suggestions for you concerning the layout and a few changes mainly to the first pages.

          I miss a clear idea about when you use different type of text, bold, italic, size and font style. I am not sure that I did it good enough in my changes, but have a look, maybe you can get an idea after seeing my attempt. I think it is important that the text style chosen supports the content and help lining up what is important.

          I am usually using a 1280*1024 screen, and that gives me very long lines of text. It is well known that long lines make a text less easy to read, so I have added div tags to the content: <div style="margin: auto; max-width: 780px;">. I forgot if IE can show that, but at least most browsers do, I believe. I don't think that you have to avoid using code that the editor do not support in a demo with the goal to show the function of the activity. It is more urgent that it looks nice and is easy to use.

          At last I have moved a bit of the text from page two to the first page, and made a few more minor changes on other pages. I will not line them up here, have a look for yourself.

          I hope you can use some of it. I have only looked at the first lesson, at a first glance I do not think I have much more to say about the second.

          While I can make attachments in a comment I will send my editings to your gmail (the one in the demo).

          Thanks for the good work
          Bente

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          Bente Olsen added a comment - Hi Chris I have had a new look at your lesson demo. What a job you have done! I like that you have tightened it up and that there is no doubt about which answers to questions are right and which is not. It seem to me that you cover all the main issues in a approachable way (is that correct english??) and I think it will be very valuable to new users. There is only a few things I think could be looked at once more. So I have some suggestions for you concerning the layout and a few changes mainly to the first pages. I miss a clear idea about when you use different type of text, bold, italic, size and font style. I am not sure that I did it good enough in my changes, but have a look, maybe you can get an idea after seeing my attempt. I think it is important that the text style chosen supports the content and help lining up what is important. I am usually using a 1280*1024 screen, and that gives me very long lines of text. It is well known that long lines make a text less easy to read, so I have added div tags to the content: <div style="margin: auto; max-width: 780px;">. I forgot if IE can show that, but at least most browsers do, I believe. I don't think that you have to avoid using code that the editor do not support in a demo with the goal to show the function of the activity. It is more urgent that it looks nice and is easy to use. At last I have moved a bit of the text from page two to the first page, and made a few more minor changes on other pages. I will not line them up here, have a look for yourself. I hope you can use some of it. I have only looked at the first lesson, at a first glance I do not think I have much more to say about the second. While I can make attachments in a comment I will send my editings to your gmail (the one in the demo). Thanks for the good work Bente
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          Helen Foster added a comment -

          Hi Chris,

          Many thanks for your 2-lesson version, which I really like It's so nice and simple that I'd like to put the two lessons back into the Moodle Features Demo course. Is this ok with you?

          If you'd like to implement any of the improvements which Bente suggests (thanks for these Bente!) please do so, then attach a new backup for me to restore to the new Moodle Features Demo course.

          I really like your idea of having some demo student activity. If you have chance, perhaps you could include user data for them in a backup, otherwise I can login as student one and student two on demo.moodle.org and have a go at the lessons. This user activity would be retained on demo.moodle.org, and only recent activity would be erased every hour on the hour.

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          Helen Foster added a comment - Hi Chris, Many thanks for your 2-lesson version, which I really like It's so nice and simple that I'd like to put the two lessons back into the Moodle Features Demo course. Is this ok with you? If you'd like to implement any of the improvements which Bente suggests (thanks for these Bente!) please do so, then attach a new backup for me to restore to the new Moodle Features Demo course. I really like your idea of having some demo student activity. If you have chance, perhaps you could include user data for them in a backup, otherwise I can login as student one and student two on demo.moodle.org and have a go at the lessons. This user activity would be retained on demo.moodle.org, and only recent activity would be erased every hour on the hour.
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          Chris Collman added a comment -

          Hi Helen,
          I lost my place in my roundtuit list, Bente gave me a file to look at and after stacking wood all weekend, with lots of round "To its", I lost track of time. Sigh, well it is snowing and I really don't need to see a day in the life of the Queen.

          So let me find Bente's suggestions, go through my simple two steps once again and upload the results. I was working on one version where I had student demo, student one and student two. Student one completed the lesson. Student two was having some issues with the lesson but submitted an outstanding essay which the teacher needed to grade. Student demo had not yet taken the two lessons

          Glad you and Bente both think it is an improvement.

          Best Chris

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          Chris Collman added a comment - Hi Helen, I lost my place in my roundtuit list, Bente gave me a file to look at and after stacking wood all weekend, with lots of round "To its", I lost track of time. Sigh, well it is snowing and I really don't need to see a day in the life of the Queen. So let me find Bente's suggestions, go through my simple two steps once again and upload the results. I was working on one version where I had student demo, student one and student two. Student one completed the lesson. Student two was having some issues with the lesson but submitted an outstanding essay which the teacher needed to grade. Student demo had not yet taken the two lessons Glad you and Bente both think it is an improvement. Best Chris
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          Chris Collman added a comment -

          oops, See that you added it plus a link to MoodleDocs in the Demo.. Super , I will still do the 10:30 AM (must be Perth time) above post work tonight 8:32 EST. Chris

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          Chris Collman added a comment - oops, See that you added it plus a link to MoodleDocs in the Demo.. Super , I will still do the 10:30 AM (must be Perth time) above post work tonight 8:32 EST. Chris
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          Chris Collman added a comment -

          Ok I just ran through the lesson in demo. moodle, and put up with the Lilac theme! Found a few things that needed correcting in the 1st lesson. The Moodle image that linked to images, was broken! Found another use of "logical order", which I am banning from my MoodleSpeak. I backed up my changes but will see if some create restores to demo.moodle will work

          As soon as the hour changes, I will go back and look at Lesson 2, the questions. I don't know how hard it is to merge the backup with the demo.

          I would like to add two new users and put in their data. In another Moodle site, I created a fantastic Essay question answer which needed to be graded for Student Two.

          And I think I am getting too tricky with the scores in the 2nd Lesson. I am not convinced I set up the settings page and my scores correctly. Thus if Chris can not figure it out, he must be tripping on his shoelaces when he is trying to run , or is that one of his rountuits which came loose, as Bente keeps telling me?

          Entirely too much fun. Who needs TV?

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          Chris Collman added a comment - Ok I just ran through the lesson in demo. moodle, and put up with the Lilac theme! Found a few things that needed correcting in the 1st lesson. The Moodle image that linked to images, was broken! Found another use of "logical order", which I am banning from my MoodleSpeak. I backed up my changes but will see if some create restores to demo.moodle will work As soon as the hour changes, I will go back and look at Lesson 2, the questions. I don't know how hard it is to merge the backup with the demo. I would like to add two new users and put in their data. In another Moodle site, I created a fantastic Essay question answer which needed to be graded for Student Two. And I think I am getting too tricky with the scores in the 2nd Lesson. I am not convinced I set up the settings page and my scores correctly. Thus if Chris can not figure it out, he must be tripping on his shoelaces when he is trying to run , or is that one of his rountuits which came loose, as Bente keeps telling me? Entirely too much fun. Who needs TV?
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          Chris Collman added a comment -

          Corrections to both Lesson 1 and Lesson 2, just lesson section backed up from demo.moodle. Last of 3 backups for of the evening.

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          Chris Collman added a comment - Corrections to both Lesson 1 and Lesson 2, just lesson section backed up from demo.moodle. Last of 3 backups for of the evening.
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          Chris Collman added a comment -

          I suggest the Lesson topic say:
          -
          The lesson module presents a series of pages to the student who is usually asked to make some sort of choice below the content area. A lesson activity allows the teacher to create an adaptive learning experience, without direct teacher interaction.
          -

          Not real happy with the second sentence. "Adaptive" is a key phrase. "Direct teacher interaction" seems unclear to me. I don't know how to simply say that the teacher creates a standalone, completely asynchronous, adaptive learning module that can be individualized by student choices. I think a wiki comes close, but it can not be scored automatically. While 2.0 dependency-conditional settings may allow more adaptive tools, they are not going to be based on a specific student choice but upon a score (hopefully a matrix of scores). I think the two sentences are better than the old description.

          Best Chris

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          Chris Collman added a comment - I suggest the Lesson topic say: - The lesson module presents a series of pages to the student who is usually asked to make some sort of choice below the content area. A lesson activity allows the teacher to create an adaptive learning experience, without direct teacher interaction. - Not real happy with the second sentence. "Adaptive" is a key phrase. "Direct teacher interaction" seems unclear to me. I don't know how to simply say that the teacher creates a standalone, completely asynchronous, adaptive learning module that can be individualized by student choices. I think a wiki comes close, but it can not be scored automatically. While 2.0 dependency-conditional settings may allow more adaptive tools, they are not going to be based on a specific student choice but upon a score (hopefully a matrix of scores). I think the two sentences are better than the old description. Best Chris
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          Chris Collman added a comment -

          Been there and done that way back when. Close.

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          Chris Collman added a comment - Been there and done that way back when. Close.
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          Helen Foster added a comment -

          Many thanks Chris for your lesson demos which I often play around in if I need reminding of lesson features. I especially like the way correct answers are indicated with a '*'

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          Helen Foster added a comment - Many thanks Chris for your lesson demos which I often play around in if I need reminding of lesson features. I especially like the way correct answers are indicated with a '*'

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