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  2. MDLSITE-652

Decide on fonts for moodle.org, once and for all

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    • Type: Bug Bug
    • Status: Open
    • Priority: Minor Minor
    • Resolution: Unresolved
    • Component/s: moodle.org
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      Description

      We need some hard data here .... we have a lot of different OS's, different settings and different preferences.

      To my eye the current choice of on http://moodle.org looks OK, but we need some advice on what works best for the most people.

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        Martin Dougiamas added a comment -

        Attaching my screen for you to see.

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        Martin Dougiamas added a comment - Attaching my screen for you to see.
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        Martin Dougiamas added a comment -

        Here is how http://moodle.org looks on different browsers:

        http://browsershots.org/http://moodle.org/

        I'd appreciate some screenshots of your own, or refer to these, when talking about which fonts are better (and why) because fonts seem to be highly variable and subjective as well.

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        Martin Dougiamas added a comment - Here is how http://moodle.org looks on different browsers: http://browsershots.org/http://moodle.org/ I'd appreciate some screenshots of your own, or refer to these, when talking about which fonts are better (and why) because fonts seem to be highly variable and subjective as well.
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        Mauno Korpelainen added a comment -

        http://www.ampsoft.net/webdesign-l/WindowsMacFonts.html has some more info (from the older systems) and particularly screens like http://www.ampsoft.net/webdesign-l/img/Font-list-WinXP-Firefox.png

        To my eye
        Lucida Sans Unicode, Lucida Grande, sans-serif
        and
        Comic Sans MS, Comic Sans MS, cursive
        seem to be the only font families in this example that are pretty similar even when only basic font smoothing is enabled (no ClearType)

        Have you tested Lucida Sans Unicode, Lucida Grande, sans-serif ?

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        Mauno Korpelainen added a comment - http://www.ampsoft.net/webdesign-l/WindowsMacFonts.html has some more info (from the older systems) and particularly screens like http://www.ampsoft.net/webdesign-l/img/Font-list-WinXP-Firefox.png To my eye Lucida Sans Unicode, Lucida Grande, sans-serif and Comic Sans MS, Comic Sans MS, cursive seem to be the only font families in this example that are pretty similar even when only basic font smoothing is enabled (no ClearType) Have you tested Lucida Sans Unicode, Lucida Grande, sans-serif ?
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        Mauno Korpelainen added a comment -

        In most browsers all those thin fonts should be fine - there may still be some moodlers using Windows XP ClearType off.

        I can live with any font family you choose - except that horrible

        Impact, Impact, Charcoal, sans-serif ...

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        Mauno Korpelainen added a comment - In most browsers all those thin fonts should be fine - there may still be some moodlers using Windows XP ClearType off. I can live with any font family you choose - except that horrible Impact, Impact, Charcoal, sans-serif ...
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        Mauno Korpelainen added a comment -

        Honestly I must say that compared to all these others

        Comic Sans MS, Comic Sans MS, cursive

        looks sweet, fresh and different - and it is just as cross browser campatible as these others!

        (more like handwritten maybe but what ever font you take somebody complains about it - some fonts are too thin, some too bold etc.)

        A test page with some screenshots about the same content shown with different font families might help decision (probably the good old xxxxx...)

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        Mauno Korpelainen added a comment - Honestly I must say that compared to all these others Comic Sans MS, Comic Sans MS, cursive looks sweet, fresh and different - and it is just as cross browser campatible as these others! (more like handwritten maybe but what ever font you take somebody complains about it - some fonts are too thin, some too bold etc.) A test page with some screenshots about the same content shown with different font families might help decision (probably the good old xxxxx...)
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        Mauno Korpelainen added a comment - Some more good links (comparisons): http://web.mit.edu/jmorzins/www/fonts.html http://www.upsdell.com/BrowserNews/res_fonts.htm http://www.upsdell.com/BrowserNews/res_fontsamp.htm http://www.codestyle.org/css/font-family/AnchorPoints.shtml
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        Martin Dougiamas added a comment -

        I've just switched (temporarily) to: "Lucida Sans Unicode", "Lucida Grande", sans-serif;

        Is that better? Looks a little different on Windows Vista but OK for me, and Linux seems unaffected.

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        Martin Dougiamas added a comment - I've just switched (temporarily) to: "Lucida Sans Unicode", "Lucida Grande", sans-serif; Is that better? Looks a little different on Windows Vista but OK for me, and Linux seems unaffected.
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        Mauno Korpelainen added a comment -

        I tried to reproduce wrinkled and thin fonts in XP without ClearType but it's hard to find any font where letters like W or M don't look wrinkled without smoothing. Lucida Unicode is using a little more box like letters and is probably a little bolder than for example Arial...

        Some letters and numbers do look different - gGJKMQ123... - letter spacing is different - and tastes are different. I like all the "good old fonts like Arial or "tight" Trebuchet but probably only because so many web sites use them. If ClearType is enabled in XP all fonts look good.

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        Mauno Korpelainen added a comment - I tried to reproduce wrinkled and thin fonts in XP without ClearType but it's hard to find any font where letters like W or M don't look wrinkled without smoothing. Lucida Unicode is using a little more box like letters and is probably a little bolder than for example Arial... Some letters and numbers do look different - gGJKMQ123... - letter spacing is different - and tastes are different. I like all the "good old fonts like Arial or "tight" Trebuchet but probably only because so many web sites use them. If ClearType is enabled in XP all fonts look good.
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        Mauno Korpelainen added a comment -

        One more test - I forced default font change also in Tracker and in Lucida Sans Unicode BOLD fonts look too odd.

        My final vote goes for Arial - after some years Windows XP will be history and all those users that still have not enabled ClearType in XP can enable it or suffer from unsoftened fonts for ever... l_o_l

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        Mauno Korpelainen added a comment - One more test - I forced default font change also in Tracker and in Lucida Sans Unicode BOLD fonts look too odd. My final vote goes for Arial - after some years Windows XP will be history and all those users that still have not enabled ClearType in XP can enable it or suffer from unsoftened fonts for ever... l_o_l
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        Martin Dougiamas added a comment -

        Thanks so much for all the info and feedback, Mauno. it would be great to get some opinions from others as well before we make a final decision.

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        Martin Dougiamas added a comment - Thanks so much for all the info and feedback, Mauno. it would be great to get some opinions from others as well before we make a final decision.
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        Mauno Korpelainen added a comment -

        Indeed - Ray gave some related comments in http://tracker.moodle.org/browse/MDLSITE-597

        and if users can choose in the future their prefered theme from a couple of user themes in their user profile everybody might be happy - no matter what the default font is.

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        Mauno Korpelainen added a comment - Indeed - Ray gave some related comments in http://tracker.moodle.org/browse/MDLSITE-597 and if users can choose in the future their prefered theme from a couple of user themes in their user profile everybody might be happy - no matter what the default font is.
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        Martin Dougiamas added a comment -

        That will help on http://moodle.org but not on all of the other sites ... still would like the best default default!

        I tried using Arial only on moodle.org for a while and it looks very plain (changes the design a surprising amount).

        I think my vote is with the "Lucida Sans Unicode", "Lucida Grande", sans-serif;

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        Martin Dougiamas added a comment - That will help on http://moodle.org but not on all of the other sites ... still would like the best default default! I tried using Arial only on moodle.org for a while and it looks very plain (changes the design a surprising amount). I think my vote is with the "Lucida Sans Unicode", "Lucida Grande", sans-serif;
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        Mauno Korpelainen added a comment -

        It's a good choise really - and nobody has complained. Since we have only two votes (1-1) the chairman shall have the casting vote... so let's use Lucida family.

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        Mauno Korpelainen added a comment - It's a good choise really - and nobody has complained. Since we have only two votes (1-1) the chairman shall have the casting vote... so let's use Lucida family.
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        Mauno Korpelainen added a comment -

        By the way - was it plain arial that you tested or some font family like "Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif". Main site of moodle.org has looked good all the time with Lucida, only Tracker (with forced Lucida in brower settings) looked "odd" to my eye - but current tracker is using arial, isn't it?

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        Mauno Korpelainen added a comment - By the way - was it plain arial that you tested or some font family like "Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif". Main site of moodle.org has looked good all the time with Lucida, only Tracker (with forced Lucida in brower settings) looked "odd" to my eye - but current tracker is using arial, isn't it?

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